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Do 401k withdrawals count toward Social Security earnings limit after retirement?

I'm planning to retire next year at 63 and start collecting Social Security, but I'm confused about how my 401k affects things. I know there's an earnings limit ($23,920 in 2025 I think?) before they reduce my SS benefits, but do 401k withdrawals count toward this limit? I've worked for the same company for 28 years and have about $670,000 in my 401k. My financial advisor suggested I should start taking distributions right away, but I'm worried this might reduce my SS checks. Anyone know for sure if 401k withdrawals are considered "earnings" for the Social Security earnings test? Thanks!

Yuki Ito

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Good news! 401k withdrawals do NOT count toward the Social Security earnings limit. The earnings test only applies to wages from actual work or self-employment income. Pension payments, 401k distributions, IRA withdrawals, investment income, and interest are all excluded from the earnings test calculation. So you can withdraw from your 401k without worrying about it affecting your Social Security benefits. The only income that matters for the earnings test is money you actively earn by working.

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Ethan Taylor

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Oh that's such a relief! Thank you for clarifying. My advisor wasn't completely clear on this point. So just to confirm - I can withdraw any amount from my 401k and it won't affect my SS benefits at all? Even if I take out $50,000 in one year?

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Carmen Lopez

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my uncle had this same question last yr. he took out like 60 grand from his 401k after retiring and it didnt effect his ss at all. but watch out for taxes!! they can be brutal when u take big distributions

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Ethan Taylor

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Thanks for sharing your uncle's experience. Good point about the taxes - I hadn't thought much about that angle yet.

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AstroAdventurer

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CAREFUL! While 401k withdrawals don't count toward the earnings test, they absolutely CAN increase how much of your Social Security is taxed! Up to 85% of your SS benefits can become taxable depending on your combined income. My husband and I learned this the hard way last year when our tax bill shocked us. You need to look at "combined income" which is your adjusted gross income + nontaxable interest + 1/2 of SS benefits. If that exceeds $25,000 (single) or $32,000 (married), your benefits start getting taxed!!!

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Ethan Taylor

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Oh no! I had no idea that withdrawals could affect the TAXATION of my benefits. That's a completely different issue than what I was asking, but super important. Thank you for bringing this up - I'll need to talk to my tax advisor about this.

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Andre Dupont

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This is absolutely right. There's often confusion between the earnings test (which affects how much SS you receive) and the taxation of benefits (which affects how much you keep after taxes). Two completely different issues! Always good to plan for both.

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When I retired in 2023, I called Social Security EIGHT TIMES to get a straight answer about this! No one could tell me for sure and I kept getting different answers from different agents. Typical government confusion!!! One agent even told me stock dividends would count against the earnings limit which is COMPLETELY WRONG. It was a nightmare trying to get accurate information.

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Mei Lin

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Congrtulations on approaching retirement! My wife and I just went through this last year.

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Ethan Taylor

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Thank you! It's exciting but definitely more complicated than I expected with all these rules and regulations.

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Yuki Ito

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One other important consideration - if you're planning to take 401k distributions before age 65, remember that Medicare premiums can be affected by higher income too (IRMAA surcharges). Sometimes it's better to live off other savings first and delay larger 401k withdrawals until you've worked out a strategy that minimizes both taxation of Social Security benefits and Medicare premium increases. A good financial advisor who specializes in retirement income planning can help you sequence your withdrawals optimally.

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Ethan Taylor

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Wow, I had no idea about the Medicare premium increases either. This retirement stuff is way more complicated than I thought! Thanks for mentioning this - definitely something else I need to look into before finalizing my withdrawal strategy.

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Carmen Lopez

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my sister works for SSA and she says ppl confuse this ALL THE TIME. she says remeber: earnings = money u EARN by WORKING. thats it. good luck with retiring!!

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Ethan Taylor

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That's a really helpful way to think about it. Money I EARN by WORKING counts toward the limit. Not passive income or retirement withdrawals. Thank you!

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AstroAdventurer

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Since we're discussing this topic - does anyone know if Roth IRA withdrawals affect the taxation of Social Security benefits? I've heard conflicting information and am trying to plan my own retirement withdrawals for next year.

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Andre Dupont

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Great question! Qualified Roth IRA withdrawals are tax-free and don't count toward the combined income formula that determines if your Social Security benefits are taxable. That's one of the big advantages of Roth accounts in retirement - they don't trigger taxation of your SS benefits like traditional IRA/401k withdrawals do.

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Ethan Taylor

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Thanks everyone for the helpful responses! Just to summarize what I've learned: 1. 401k withdrawals do NOT count toward the earnings limit test (which is what I was originally worried about) 2. BUT 401k withdrawals CAN increase how much of my Social Security gets taxed 3. AND large withdrawals might increase my future Medicare premiums I definitely need to meet with both my financial advisor and tax person to create a better withdrawal strategy. This is much more complicated than I realized!

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Yuki Ito

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You've got it exactly right! Good luck with your planning - and congratulations on your retirement next year!

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