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One more thing that might help your husband - if he can work longer at his current job (the one covered by Social Security), every additional year of "substantial earnings" will help reduce the WEP penalty. For 2025, substantial earnings means making at least $31,275 in Social Security-covered employment. If he can get to 30 years of substantial earnings under Social Security, the WEP won't apply at all. With 12 years already, that would mean 18 more years which probably isn't feasible. But even a few more years will reduce the penalty incrementally.
my mom got this same email i think. she said something about a lawyer sending her ss statement. gonna call her today and make sure she didnt click anything thanks for posting this
To address your question about how they got your partial SSN - these scammers usually obtain personal information through data breaches that have happened over the years. Companies like Equifax, Target, and many others have had breaches where millions of Americans' data was exposed. The scammers use this partial information to make their phishing attempts more convincing. They might have your name, email, and last 4 digits of your SSN from one of these breaches. As for protecting yourself going forward: 1. The SSA will primarily contact you through postal mail for important matters 2. If you have a my Social Security account, they'll notify you to log in to view secure messages 3. They will NEVER attach documents to emails or ask you to download anything 4. They will NEVER threaten to suspend your SSN or benefits if you don't provide information immediately If you're ever in doubt about a communication claiming to be from SSA, call their official number directly (1-800-772-1213) rather than any number provided in a suspicious email or letter.
Thank you, this makes me feel a bit better. I'll be much more careful going forward. Should I freeze my credit or anything like that?
A credit freeze is a good precautionary step, especially if you're not planning to apply for new credit soon. You'll need to contact all three major credit bureaus (Equifax, Experian, and TransUnion) to place a freeze. It's free and you can temporarily lift it when needed. At minimum, I'd recommend placing a fraud alert, which is easier - you only need to contact one bureau and they'll notify the others. A fraud alert lasts for one year and requires creditors to verify your identity before issuing credit in your name.
my mom went thru something like this and she just gave up trying to get her money back because the SSA people kept giving her different answers every time she called...the system is so broken
Unfortunately this happens too often. It's important to get information in writing whenever possible and to speak with a Technical Expert (TE) or Claims Specialist (CS) rather than a service representative for complex issues like this. When you call, specifically ask to speak with someone who specializes in earnings recalculations and benefit type switches.
Thank you all for the helpful responses! I'm going to try to get through to SSA to request that earnings test recalculation. I had no idea I needed to specifically ask for this - I thought they would automatically adjust it based on my tax return. I'm also reconsidering my timeline for taking survivor benefits based on the earnings test information. One last question if anyone knows - is there a time limit for requesting the earnings recalculation? It's been almost 2 years since that initial withholding.
There's no specific time limit for requesting an earnings test recalculation, but I'd recommend doing it as soon as possible. The longer you wait, the more complicated it can become to process. Bring or have ready your W-2s, tax returns, or self-employment tax documentation for the year in question when you contact them. And as someone else mentioned, try to speak with a Technical Expert or Claims Specialist rather than a regular service representative.
Thanks everyone for the thoughtful responses! This has given me a lot to think about. I'm definitely going to run more detailed calculations including the investment growth potential and tax implications. I hadn't considered the Roth conversion strategy or the survivor benefit implications for my wife. Sounds like I need to look at this as part of our overall financial picture rather than just comparing benefit amounts at different ages.
That's exactly right - it needs to be evaluated as part of your complete financial situation. One additional resource you might find helpful is the Open Social Security calculator (free online tool). It runs thousands of scenarios to help determine optimal claiming strategies for singles and couples. It won't account for your specific investment situation, but it's a good starting point for understanding the SS-specific implications of different claiming ages.
I work with retirees as a financial educator, and I've seen both sides of this. The biggest regrets I typically see are from people who claimed early and then continued working without understanding the earnings test (which can temporarily reduce or eliminate benefits if you earn too much before FRA). Or those who claimed early without realizing how it would impact their surviving spouse. But for those who did the math and made an intentional choice based on their specific circumstances? Very few regrets. The key is making an informed decision rather than just claiming early because you can.
wat earnings test?? i'm 61 and planning to take ss next year but still working part time. nobody told me about any test??
If you work while collecting SS before your full retirement age, SSA will deduct $1 from your benefit for every $2 you earn above the annual limit ($21,240 in 2025). Once you reach FRA, the earnings test no longer applies. This is a key consideration that many people miss when claiming early while still working! The withheld benefits aren't lost forever (you get credit for them later), but it can significantly reduce your short-term cash flow.
James Maki
I filed at 62 last year and was in a similar situation with my husband. After several calls to SSA where I either couldn't get through or got conflicting information, I finally just went to my local office in person. Took almost 3 hours of waiting but I got clear answers about my specific situation. If you can't get through on the phone, try going in person with all your documents and questions written down. They can run your actual numbers there.
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Saleem Vaziri
•Going in person is good advice, but many SSA offices are still requiring appointments which can take weeks to get. When I needed help quickly and couldn't wait, I used Claimyr (claimyr.com) to get through on the phone in about 15 minutes instead of waiting on hold for hours. Their video demo shows how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU - Saved me a trip to the office and I got all my questions answered by phone.
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Scarlett Forster
One important correction to my earlier comment: The reduction for taking spousal benefits early is actually calculated differently than for your own retirement benefits. At age 62, the spousal benefit reduction is actually MORE than the reduction for your own benefit. For retirement benefits, filing at 62 results in approximately a 30% reduction. For spousal benefits, filing at 62 results in approximately a 35% reduction. So if your full spousal benefit would be 50% of your husband's PIA, at age 62 you'd get closer to 32.5% of his PIA. This is why getting precise calculations for your specific situation is so important. The difference could significantly impact your long-term planning.
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Lindsey Fry
•Thank you for this important clarification! This makes the calculation even more complex, but having accurate information is essential. I'm definitely going to need to speak with SSA directly about my specific case before making any decisions.
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