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To address your latest question - yes, you could structure your work seasonally. The earnings test can be applied monthly during your first year of retirement. So if you have some months where you don't work at all (defined as earning less than $1,860/month and working under 45 hours), you can receive full benefits for those specific months, even if you exceed the annual limit. This is called the Monthly Earnings Test and only applies during your first year of retirement. After that, they switch to the Annual Earnings Test regardless of which months you work. Many seasonal workers use this strategy successfully. Just document everything carefully - hours worked, income received, and which months you provided no services to your business.

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That monthly earnings test sounds perfect for my situation. My business is really busy in summer but almost dead in winter. I could potentially take my benefits during the off-season months and then suspend when I'm working more. Thanks for explaining this option!

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about the medicare premiums thing. when my dad started collecting SS they automatically refunded his medicare payments that he had already made. took about 6 weeks after his first SS check for the refund to show up. so dont worry about that part.

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Something important to understand about your situation: You're dealing with two separate processes, and they must happen in sequence: 1) First, your SSA-521 withdrawal must be processed completely. This includes calculating exactly how much you need to repay from your retirement benefits. 2) Only after that's finalized can they move forward with your survivor benefit application. Once your withdrawal is approved, you should receive a formal notice with repayment instructions. After repayment is confirmed, the survivor benefits processing can begin. The good news is that survivor benefits will typically be backdated to your application date (or protective filing date), so you won't lose benefits due to administrative delays.

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Thank you for breaking this down so clearly. It helps to understand the sequence. I just wish the SSA rep had explained it this way instead of just saying it'll take a long time. Do you know if there's any way to find out which specific processing center has my case?

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WAIT im confused - if you already suspended your benefits why do you have to withdraw them too? aren't those the same thing??

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They're actually completely different. Suspension just temporarily stops payments but keeps your claim active. Withdrawal (SSA-521) terminates your claim entirely as if you never filed, which allows you to file for a different benefit type without reduction. But withdrawal also requires you to repay all benefits received, which suspension doesn't.

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ohhh that explains a lot! so in OPs case they need to withdraw the retirement to get the full survivor amount? thats so complicated!

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One more critical point: Social Security is inflation-adjusted. This is HUGELY valuable and often overlooked. When you delay and get a larger benefit, you're getting a larger inflation-protected annuity, which is extremely expensive to purchase in the private market. With inflation running high in recent years, this protection becomes even more valuable. The 8.7% COLA in 2023 and 3.2% in 2024 meant significant increases for recipients. If you have other retirement assets, many financial planners now recommend spending down your non-inflation-protected assets first, while delaying Social Security to maximize this inflation-protected income stream.

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But the COLA is the same percentage no matter when you start benefits! If you get a 3% increase, it's 3% whether your check is $1500 or $2500. The dollar amount is different but the percentage is the same for everyone.

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Thank you all for such thoughtful responses! This is exactly the kind of real-world experience I was hoping for. Based on your comments, I think I need to: 1) Call SSA to get my personalized projections for different ages, 2) Consider my family health history more carefully, 3) Think about how my decision affects my spouse if I die first, and 4) Look at our overall retirement assets. I'm leaning more toward waiting now, at least until my FRA, if not 70. The difference in monthly benefits is much larger than I realized, and since my family tends to be long-lived, the math probably works in my favor to wait. Really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences and knowledge!

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Sounds like a solid plan! Just one more tip: SSA allows you to run different scenarios yourself through your my Social Security account online. While calling gives you direct expert insights, the online calculator is available 24/7 without wait times. Best of luck with your decision!

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one thing nobody mentioned is that youre on survivor benefits not regular retirement so theres different rules sometimes. but at your age it doesnt matter youre good to work

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That's a good point about the different benefit types, but in this specific case the earnings test works the same way for both retirement and survivor benefits. Once you're past FRA, there's no limit for either type.

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To summarize what everyone has said: 1) At 67, you're past FRA so there's NO earnings limit 2) You will keep 100% of your survivor benefits no matter how much you earn 3) Working could potentially make some of your benefits taxable if your total income exceeds certain thresholds 4) Working now might actually increase your benefit slightly if you replace lower-earning years in your calculation. Sounds like taking that bookstore job is a good move for you!

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Thank you so much for this clear summary! I feel much more confident now about accepting the bookstore position. I really appreciate everyone's help - this has been weighing on my mind for weeks!

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wait i'm confused why does everyone keep saying ex spousal benefits?? isnt that only for retirement?? i thought he needed disability benefits??? im so confused by all these different SS benefits!!

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The original poster is asking about retirement benefits for her 85-year-old uncle based on his ex-wife's work record. This has nothing to do with disability benefits. It's about whether he can receive retirement benefits as a divorced spouse when he doesn't have enough work credits himself.

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Make sure your uncle applies as soon as possible! Benefits aren't retroactive indefinitely - typically only 6 months back from application date. Since he's 85, he's potentially been eligible for many years and has missed out on significant benefits. The process can take time, especially with international documentation, so start immediately.

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Thank you for this advice! I had no idea there was such a limited retroactive period. We'll definitely start the process right away. Really appreciate everyone's help!

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