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My brain hurts trying to understand all this lol. But I do know that the SSA workers are SUPER OVERWORKED so sometimes they don't have time to look into complicated cases. I would definitely try again and maybe go in person like others have said. Phone calls are useless for complicated stuff!!
One more important point that hasn't been addressed: Your friend mentioned her first husband was on disability when he died. This means his SSDI benefit amount would have already been calculated before his death, making it easier to determine what the survivor benefit would be with COLAs applied. She should request what's called a "Survivor Benefit Estimate" from both deceased spouses and compare them to her current benefit. If either would be higher, she can switch. The fact that the SSA representative dismissed her quickly suggests they either: 1. Didn't understand the full complexity of her case 2. Didn't check both deceased spouses' records with COLAs applied 3. Saw something specific that would disqualify her, but didn't explain it properly Definitely worth following up with a scheduled appointment. Make sure to bring: - Marriage certificates for both marriages - Death certificates for both husbands - Any old benefit award letters she might have kept - Her own Social Security statement showing current benefits Persistence often pays off with these complex cases.
Thank you for this additional information! I hadn't considered that his SSDI benefit would have already been calculated, which should make tracing it easier. I'll tell her to specifically ask for the "Survivor Benefit Estimate" from both deceased spouses - that's exactly the term I needed. And I'll pass along your list of documents to bring. Really appreciate all this helpful advice!
Thank you everyone for the helpful advice! I'm definitely going to pursue this correction right away. I'll try to get the wage transcript from the IRS, gather my tax returns and pay stubs, and make an appointment at my local SSA office. The potential $300+ monthly difference is definitely worth fighting for, especially considering that's thousands of dollars every year for the rest of my life. I'll look into Claimyr too if I have trouble getting through on the phone. Does anyone know if there's a specific department at SSA that handles earnings corrections that I should ask for when I call?
I don't think there's a specific department you need to ask for - any Claims Specialist can help with earnings corrections. But when you call or visit, specifically mention you need to correct an earnings discrepancy that will affect your upcoming retirement claim. That helps them prioritize your case since you're planning to file in 2025. Good luck getting it resolved!
my neighbor had something similar happen and it took TWO YEARS to fix!!! and then they had the nerve to say they "expedited" it!!! 🤬
Processing times definitely vary by office and case complexity. To reduce delays, I recommend submitting everything in one complete package rather than piecemeal. Also, get a receipt whenever you submit documents to SSA, and follow up every 30 days by phone or in person. Squeaky wheel gets the grease with these administrative processes.
I'm in a similar situation but decided to wait. Financially it makes more sense for most people unless you have health issues or really need the money now. That 30% permanent reduction is significant.
To calculate your specific amount with precision: take your annual earnings over the limit ($34,000 - $22,560 = $11,440), divide by 2 = $5,720 annual reduction. Then divide your full benefit by 12 months ($1,800 × 12 = $21,600 annual benefit). Subtract the reduction ($21,600 - $5,720 = $15,880 annual adjusted benefit). Divide by 12 to get monthly = $1,323/month approximately. Remember this is before any tax considerations. And the earnings limit typically increases slightly each year with inflation adjustments.
Yes, the Government Pension Offset (GPO) would still apply to spousal benefits if you receive a pension from work not covered by Social Security. The GPO typically reduces spousal/widow(er) benefits by 2/3 of your government pension amount. For example, if your government pension is $3,000/month, your spousal benefits would be reduced by $2,000. If the spousal benefit would have been $1,500, you'd receive $0 after the GPO reduction ($1,500 - $2,000 = less than $0). This is separate from the WEP, which affects your own benefit based on your own work record. The GPO affects benefits based on someone else's work record.
The whole WEP/GPO thing is just the government STEALING money from teachers and public servants who worked hard their whole lives!!! My aunt lost over $700/month because of this garbage. Called her congressman and everything but nothing changed. Complete scam!!!!
It's not actually "stealing" - it's adjusting benefits to account for the fact that some workers didn't pay into Social Security for portions of their career. The original Social Security benefit formula gives a higher percentage return to lower earners. Without WEP/GPO, people with non-covered pensions would appear to be "lower earners" in the SS system (because their substantial non-SS-covered earnings aren't counted) and would receive this higher percentage return inappropriately. That said, the implementation is imperfect and can feel very unfair, especially for those who have split careers or modest pensions. There are regular proposals in Congress to reform these provisions.
Santiago Diaz
my mom always said you should apply on your birthday month is that true?
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Riya Sharma
•There's no special advantage to applying in your birthday month. Social Security benefits can begin as early as the first full month you're eligible. For retirement benefits, that eligibility can start at age 62 (with permanent reduction), at Full Retirement Age (with no reduction), or anytime in between or after.
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Millie Long
You need to watch out because they make you pick a Medicare plan too when you file for SS if he hasn't already done that part. My husband got totally confused by all the Medicare options when he was trying to do his SS application. Just a heads up that might slow things down.
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Nathaniel Stewart
•I think he already enrolled in Medicare when he turned 65, so hopefully that part is taken care of. It's all so complicated!
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