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Make sure they check if your ex has multiple exes filing on his record! Many people don't realize there's no 'family maximum' for divorced spouse benefits - each eligible ex-spouse can receive benefits without reducing the others. But it DOES affect survivor benefits later, which is something to keep in mind for future planning.

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whaaaaat?? i didnt know that! i was worried about my ex's new wife affecting my benefit amount. good to know!

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On your call, request a complete breakdown of your benefit calculation in writing. SSA should send you an award letter after your claim is processed, but it doesn't always show the detailed math. Specifically ask for: 1. Your PIA based on your own work record 2. The spousal benefit amount you're eligible for (up to 50% of ex's PIA) 3. The excess amount (the difference between #2 and #1) 4. How continuing to work might change these calculations Keep detailed notes during your call - write down the name and direct extension of anyone helpful that you speak with. If you need clarification later, it's much easier if you can get back to the same person rather than explaining everything to someone new. Also, while your current earnings won't reduce benefits at FRA, they could potentially increase your own PIA if these are high-earning years for you, which might reduce the spousal excess portion (though your total would remain the same or increase).

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This is really thorough, thank you! I'll definitely ask for everything in writing and keep careful notes. My current salary is actually higher than many of my earlier working years, so it sounds like continuing to work might actually increase my own PIA over time. I'll make sure to ask about how that could impact the calculations going forward.

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One more thing - if your husband worked this year already before passing, make sure to bring his final paystubs. Sometimes the earnings for the current year haven't been reported to SSA yet and that could affect your benefit amount. They calculated my mom's benefit wrong initially because they didn't have my dad's last 3 months of work.

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yes this happend to me too!!!! they missed almost $6000 of my wifes income and i had to go back a second time to fix it

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Amina Bah

Regarding your age - just to clarify since there seems to be some confusion in comments. For survivor benefits, you can claim as early as age 60 (50 if disabled), but with maximum reduction. At 61 and 10 months (when you'll be 62), you'll still have a reduction but not as severe as taking them exactly at 61. If you need the money now, don't let people make you feel bad about claiming early. That's exactly why the option exists.

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Thank you for this reassurance. Yes, I need to claim now despite the reduction. It's good to know I'm not the only one who's had to make this decision.

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Did you know they might owe you retroactive benefits too? When my sister filed for survivors after her husband passed, they gave her six months of back payments from before she applied! Might be worth asking about.

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Good point, but important clarification: retroactive benefits for survivors are limited to 6 months maximum, and only if you're past full retirement age when you apply. Since the original poster is 64 and not yet at FRA, retroactive benefits wouldn't apply in this specific case. But definitely something to keep in mind for others reading this thread!

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Thank you everyone for all the helpful information! I've decided to schedule an appointment with SSA to discuss my options. I'll gather my documentation (marriage certificate, her death certificate, our birth certificates) before going in. Since I'm earning well above the earnings limit right now, I'll probably wait until closer to my full retirement age before applying, but it's such a relief to know this option exists! I had no idea I could still claim these benefits after all these years.

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this is why i tell everyone to record phone calls with ss or get everything in writing!!! they mess up all the time and then we're the ones who suffer

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Based on your additional information, I think you're dealing with two separate issues that might be getting confused: 1. Social Security spousal benefits: If you filed at 69, you should actually get MORE than 50% of your husband's benefit due to delayed retirement credits, not less. The 6-month retroactive payment limitation is correct, unfortunately. 2. Medicare penalties: This is likely a separate issue. The late enrollment penalty for Medicare Part B adds 10% to your premium for each 12-month period you could have had Part B but didn't. However, if you had creditable employer coverage, you should have qualified for a Special Enrollment Period with NO penalty. I suspect the $410 vs $925 difference isn't just about penalties - it might be that they calculated your benefit incorrectly or applied the wrong formula entirely. At this point, I strongly recommend requesting a detailed benefit calculation explanation from SSA in writing. Ask specifically for a breakdown of how they arrived at $410 instead of $925. Once you have that, the error might become clearer and easier to appeal.

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Thank you so much for breaking this down. I think you're right that I'm dealing with multiple issues that got tangled together. I'll request that detailed benefit calculation explanation ASAP. One clarification - my husband was already receiving his benefits when I applied, so I wasn't sure if the delayed credits would apply to spousal benefits in that scenario. The SSA rep said something about my benefit being reduced because I didn't file for Medicare on time, even though I had employer coverage. This whole process has been so confusing. I really appreciate everyone's help and suggestions!

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Has anyone here actually had success getting through the WEP reduction? My dad just retired from teaching and they cut his SS by almost half and were super nasty about it when he asked questions!!! He worked construction for 15 years before teaching and now they're acting like those years don't count!!!

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It's THEFT, plain and simple! I've written to my congressman 3 times about this and they just send form letters back. The system is rigged against public servants!

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Omar Zaki

To answer your original question directly: This is NOT double dipping. The Supreme Court has clearly established that survivor benefits and your own retirement benefits are separate entitlements. GPO may reduce the amount, but you are fully entitled to apply for and receive survivor benefits even while receiving your own retirement benefit. One crucial point I should add - you'll want to specifically request a "survivor benefit calculation with GPO consideration" when you contact SSA. Many representatives don't deal with GPO cases regularly and might give incorrect information if you don't use the specific terminology. If your calculated survivor benefit after GPO ends up higher than your current WEP-reduced benefit, they will pay you the difference.

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Thank you for the specific language to use! This will be extremely helpful when I contact SSA. I really appreciate everyone's insights and advice. I feel much more prepared to navigate this complicated situation now.

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