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Just to follow up on the survivor benefit discussion - that's absolutely correct. Maximizing your individual benefits also maximizes potential survivor benefits, which is an important consideration for married couples. To sum up your situation: 1. The "restricted application" strategy (claiming spousal while letting your own grow) is not available to you since you were born after January 1, 1954. 2. When you file for benefits, you'll be deemed to be filing for all benefits you're eligible for and will receive the highest amount. 3. At your current age of 68, your own retirement benefit has already accumulated significant delayed retirement credits and is almost certainly higher than any spousal benefit you could receive. 4. Both of you waiting until 70 to claim will maximize your individual benefits and also provide the highest potential survivor benefit for whichever of you lives longer. Based on the information you've provided, waiting until 70 appears to be your optimal strategy.

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Thank you so much for this clear summary. This has been incredibly helpful! We'll plan to both wait until 70 to maximize our benefits.

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my sister tried to do what ur talking about and SSA said no. but then she went to a different office and they told her something completely different! the right hand doesnt know what the left is doing over there lol

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This is unfortunately common. Social Security rules are complex, and even some SSA employees get confused about the nuances of the 2015 rule changes. That's why it's so important to understand your specific situation and the rules that apply to your birth year. In this case, for someone born in 1957, the rules are quite clear - restricted applications are not available.

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After reviewing your numbers more carefully, I'm concerned about your estimate of $3,800 at age 70. That would be an unusually high benefit (it's above the maximum benefit even for someone who earned at the taxable maximum their entire career). The maximum benefit for someone retiring at age 70 in 2025 is projected to be around $4,873, but that's only for people who earned at or above the maximum taxable amount for 35+ years. I strongly recommend creating an account at my.ssa.gov if you haven't already, so you can see your actual projected benefits based on your work history. This will help you make a more informed decision.

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You're right to question that number. I was looking at our combined household income from Social Security, not just mine. I checked my statement and my personal maximum at 70 would be closer to $2,850. Still significantly more than the spousal benefit, but not as high as I mistakenly wrote. Sorry for the confusion and thank you for the correction!

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Based on your corrected estimate of $2,850 at age 70 vs. $1,425 spousal benefit now, waiting still makes financial sense IF you can afford to. The break-even point would be around age 82-83. If you expect to live beyond that age (which statistics suggest is likely), waiting to claim your own benefit would give you more lifetime income. However, if immediate income is essential, taking reduced benefits now might be necessary despite the long-term financial penalty. Personal circumstances sometimes outweigh optimal claiming strategies. No shame in that - we all have to work with real-world constraints.

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Thank you for running those numbers. We do have some modest savings we could tap into, and I might be able to find part-time work. Given the significant difference in benefit amounts, I think we need to seriously consider delaying my filing if at all possible. I appreciate everyone's insights!

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This is why the SS system is so frustrating. Your getting a bigger benefit because your husband never claimed but if he had filed early and then died you would get less! Makes no sense to me. Meanwhile people like my sister who's husband claimed early then died get stuck with reduced benefits forever. The whole system needs an overhaul.

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Yeah the rules are weird sometimes. But actually if her husband had filed early and then died within the first year, she could have asked SSA to withdraw his application so it would be like he never filed! Not many people know about that exception.

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Thank you everyone for the helpful information! I'm feeling much more confident about my upcoming appointment now. I'll be sure to specifically ask about receiving 100% of what would have been his FRA amount and mention the widow's limit provision. One last question - will I need to give up my current benefit completely, or will they just pay me the difference between my current benefit and his FRA amount?

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You don't receive both benefits simultaneously. SSA will pay you the higher of the two amounts. In practical terms, if you're currently getting $1,500 on your own record and your husband's FRA benefit would have been $2,300, you'll get a total of $2,300 (not $3,800). On your SSA benefit statement, they'll show it as you receiving your benefit plus a partial survivor benefit that brings the total to the higher amount. It's administratively handled as two separate payments that equal the higher benefit amount.

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That makes perfect sense, thank you for explaining! I'm looking forward to getting this sorted out with SSA.

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Just a heads-up about benefits calculation: Since you're applying at your Full Retirement Age (67), you'll get 100% of your benefit amount. If your marriage lasted at least 10 years (which you mentioned it did), you potentially have the option to claim on your ex-spouse's record if that would give you a higher benefit amount. This is something you should ask about during your application call. When you apply, they'll automatically calculate whether your own benefit or the spousal benefit (50% of your ex's) would be higher, and give you the higher amount. You don't need to make this decision yourself. For the application itself, having your bank information ready for direct deposit setup will make things go faster. They'll ask for routing and account numbers during the call.

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That's really good to know about possibly getting benefits based on my ex's record! He was a surgeon so his earnings were much higher than mine. How would they know his earnings? Would they contact him? We haven't spoken in over a decade.

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They won't need to contact your ex at all. SSA already has everyone's complete earnings records in their system. When you give them his name and SSN (if you have it, but they can find him even without the SSN), they can look up his record and calculate 50% of his benefit. They'll compare that to your own benefit amount and pay you whichever is higher. Your ex won't be notified and it doesn't affect his benefits in any way. The fact that he had higher earnings definitely makes it worth asking about.

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Thank you everyone for all this helpful information! I feel much better prepared now. I think I'll try applying online first based on several suggestions here, but have all my information ready in case I need to call instead. I'll definitely remember to write down the confirmation number (in multiple places!) and keep an eye out for any mail that follows. And I'll make sure to ask about potentially claiming on my ex's record since his earnings were higher. Really appreciate all your advice!

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I wanted to address what happens during the SSDI application process specifically for spinal osteoarthritis: 1. After applying (online, by phone, or in person), SSA will review your work history to verify you're insured for SSDI. 2. Your case goes to your state's Disability Determination Services (DDS) where a medical consultant and examiner evaluate your medical evidence. 3. For osteoarthritis claims, they'll likely request detailed imaging and may send you for a consultative exam (CE) with their doctor. 4. They'll assess whether your condition meets Listing 1.15 OR if your limitations prevent all types of substantial work. 5. For back conditions, they look specifically at your ability to: sit/stand/walk for periods of time, lift/carry objects, bend/stoop/crouch, and maintain concentration despite pain. The approval rate for musculoskeletal conditions at the initial application stage is only about 35%, but increases to nearly 60% at the hearing level. Having a longitudinal medical history (consistent treatment over time) significantly improves your chances.

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This is accurate. When I applied for SSDI for my degenerative disc disease, the consultative exam was very brief - less than 15 minutes. The doctor barely examined me. Make sure your own treating physician's records are extremely detailed since the CE doctors often don't document limitations thoroughly.

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my friend with back problems got denied and she said her mistake was she was TOO HONEST in her application! She said she could grocery shop (with breaks) and they used that against her. Be careful what you say you can still do!!!!

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This is a common misunderstanding. You should always be truthful in your application, but be precise about limitations. For example, instead of just saying "I can grocery shop," specify "I can only shop for 15 minutes before needing to rest due to pain, require assistance with carrying bags, and need to rest for several hours afterward." Accuracy is key - both what you can AND cannot do.

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