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Everyone's talking about taking benefits now vs. waiting, but there's another option: You mentioned you can apply now but preserve January as your filing date. This is likely referring to the 6-month retroactive benefits available at FRA. If you apply in March, you could potentially get benefits back to September (not January though, unless I'm misunderstanding something). With retroactive benefits, you'd get a lump sum for those months, which could impact your taxes differently than monthly payments. Worth considering how a lump sum vs. regular payments might affect your tax situation.

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Good catch! Though to clarify: at FRA, survivors benefits can actually have up to 12 months of retroactivity, not just 6 months (the 6-month limit applies to retirement benefits). So if the poster applies in March 2025, they could potentially claim back to March 2024, assuming they were already at FRA then. And you're right about tax planning - a lump sum retroactive payment might push them into a higher bracket for 2025. There are special tax rules for lump-sum distributions that might help (filing an amended return or special calculations), but it gets complicated quickly.

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One consideration I haven't seen mentioned: if you're planning to claim your own Social Security retirement benefit someday (separate from the survivor benefit), the timing of the survivor claim doesn't affect your own retirement benefit. You could take the survivor benefit now and later switch to your own retirement benefit if it ends up being higher. Regarding taxes, calculating the exact impact would require knowing your specific tax situation, but if you're already in the 24% or higher federal bracket, expect to pay at least that rate on about 85% of your SS benefits. State taxation varies - California doesn't tax Social Security, which is helpful for you. A financial planner who specializes in public employee pensions might be worth consulting for your specific situation.

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That's a great point about California not taxing Social Security! I hadn't factored that in. And yes, I do have my own retirement benefit that I could claim later (though it would be less than the survivor benefit). I'm leaning toward claiming now and dealing with the tax implications, especially after learning about the California tax advantage. Thank you!

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My friend didn't tell SS about her pension and they found out 3 years later and made her pay back over $30k!!!! She almost lost her house! DEFINITELY tell them upfront!!!

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Oh my god, that's terrifying! I definitely don't want to end up in that situation. Did she have to pay it all back at once or were they able to set up some kind of payment plan?

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To answer your follow-up question about when to contact them - you don't need to notify Social Security about your non-covered pension until you actually apply for SS benefits. Just make sure you're prepared with the right documentation when that time comes. Regarding your question about payment plans for overpayments - yes, SSA will generally work with you on a payment plan if you can't repay an overpayment all at once. They can withhold a percentage of your ongoing benefits until it's repaid, or you can set up monthly payments. But the real takeaway here is to be proactive and transparent from the beginning so you never face an overpayment situation. With proper planning, you can accurately estimate your WEP-adjusted benefit and avoid unpleasant surprises. One final note about WEP that many people don't realize: if your non-covered pension is relatively small, there's a provision that limits the WEP reduction to no more than 50% of your monthly pension amount. This doesn't apply to most teacher pensions (which tend to be substantial), but it's worth knowing in case your Florida pension ends up being on the smaller side.

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Thank you all for the information! I just created an account on my.ssa.gov and downloaded my earnings record. Looks like I'll need to gather all my pension information and make sure I'm upfront when I apply. I think I'll try that Claimyr service too since I really need to speak with someone who understands all this WEP complexity.

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The SSA website is SO confusing about this!!! I spent hours trying to understand the rules for my mom. They seriously need to hire people who can explain things clearly!

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Thank you all for the helpful responses! I feel much more confident in the advice I'm giving her now. I'll make sure she understands: 1. Take her own benefit now at 65 ($670/month) 2. If her husband passes before her FRA, decide whether to take reduced survivor benefits immediately or wait until FRA for the full amount 3. The decision will depend on her financial needs and the exact reduction amount The differentiation between FRA for retirement vs. survivor benefits is something I hadn't considered - I'll make sure she asks specifically about that at the SSA office. This has been incredibly helpful!

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Thank you all for the helpful responses! It sounds like I need to: 1. Let my SSDI automatically convert at FRA 2. Apply separately for spousal benefits (whether married or divorced) 3. Contact SSA 3-4 months before reaching FRA to start this process 4. Watch out for any Medicare premium issues during the transition I feel much better having a plan now. I was so confused by the conflicting information I got from the SSA representatives. Does anyone know if there's a specific form I need to fill out to apply for the spousal benefits when the time comes?

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You'll want to file Form SSA-2 (Application for Wife's or Husband's Insurance Benefits) if still married, or Form SSA-1 (Application for Divorced Spouse's Benefits) if divorced by then. However, the easiest approach is to apply online through your my Social Security account or schedule an appointment with your local office about 3 months before your FRA. They'll guide you through all the necessary paperwork for your specific situation.

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one more thing!! if u do get divorced make SURE u get a copy of ur marriage certificate AND divorce decree. ssa made me go back and forth 3 times for more paperwork. total nightmare!!!

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That's really good advice - thank you! I'll make sure to keep copies of everything. I'm hoping we can work things out, but I want to be prepared either way.

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dont forget about the one-time death payment from ss too. its only $255 but better than nothing

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Oh! I had no idea about that. Every bit helps right now. Thank you for mentioning it.

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Thank you everyone for your helpful responses. I'm going to gather all my documents (death certificate, marriage certificate, pension statements, etc.) and apply for survivor benefits right away. It sounds like even with the GPO reduction, I should still receive a significant portion of my husband's benefit. I'll definitely check out that Claimyr service if I have trouble getting through to Social Security. It's such a relief to know I won't have to rely solely on my small pension.

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Be sure to ask specifically about the Lump Sum Death Payment of $255 when you apply - sometimes they forget to process this automatically. Also, if your husband received benefits for the month he died but they came after his death date, you generally don't need to return that payment. Make sure to clarify this when you speak with them to avoid confusion later.

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