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wait im confused... you said your single but getting spousal benefits? did you mean survivor benefits? or are you divorced? those are different things with ss

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Sorry for the confusion! I'm divorced but receiving spousal benefits based on my ex-husband's record (we were married 22 years). SSA still calls them "spousal benefits" even though we're no longer married. I should have been clearer!

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Just to clarify for everyone: You can receive divorced spouse benefits if you were married for at least 10 years, are currently unmarried, and your ex-spouse is entitled to benefits. These are officially called "divorced spouse benefits" but many people (and even some SSA reps) casually refer to them as spousal benefits.

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One additional consideration regarding your Medicare premium: The $174.70 you mentioned is the standard Part B premium for 2024. However, if your modified adjusted gross income from 2023 (as reported on your tax return) was above certain thresholds, you might be subject to IRMAA (Income-Related Monthly Adjustment Amount), which would increase your premium. Based on the income you mentioned, you're likely below those thresholds, but it's something to be aware of if your income fluctuates year to year.

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Thank you! My income has been pretty steady around $22-23k for the past few years, so I should be well below the IRMAA threshold. One less thing to worry about!

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My friend didn't tell SS about her pension and they found out 3 years later and made her pay back over $30k!!!! She almost lost her house! DEFINITELY tell them upfront!!!

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Oh my god, that's terrifying! I definitely don't want to end up in that situation. Did she have to pay it all back at once or were they able to set up some kind of payment plan?

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To answer your follow-up question about when to contact them - you don't need to notify Social Security about your non-covered pension until you actually apply for SS benefits. Just make sure you're prepared with the right documentation when that time comes. Regarding your question about payment plans for overpayments - yes, SSA will generally work with you on a payment plan if you can't repay an overpayment all at once. They can withhold a percentage of your ongoing benefits until it's repaid, or you can set up monthly payments. But the real takeaway here is to be proactive and transparent from the beginning so you never face an overpayment situation. With proper planning, you can accurately estimate your WEP-adjusted benefit and avoid unpleasant surprises. One final note about WEP that many people don't realize: if your non-covered pension is relatively small, there's a provision that limits the WEP reduction to no more than 50% of your monthly pension amount. This doesn't apply to most teacher pensions (which tend to be substantial), but it's worth knowing in case your Florida pension ends up being on the smaller side.

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Thank you all for the information! I just created an account on my.ssa.gov and downloaded my earnings record. Looks like I'll need to gather all my pension information and make sure I'm upfront when I apply. I think I'll try that Claimyr service too since I really need to speak with someone who understands all this WEP complexity.

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The SSA website is SO confusing about this!!! I spent hours trying to understand the rules for my mom. They seriously need to hire people who can explain things clearly!

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Thank you all for the helpful responses! I feel much more confident in the advice I'm giving her now. I'll make sure she understands: 1. Take her own benefit now at 65 ($670/month) 2. If her husband passes before her FRA, decide whether to take reduced survivor benefits immediately or wait until FRA for the full amount 3. The decision will depend on her financial needs and the exact reduction amount The differentiation between FRA for retirement vs. survivor benefits is something I hadn't considered - I'll make sure she asks specifically about that at the SSA office. This has been incredibly helpful!

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dont forget about the one-time death payment from ss too. its only $255 but better than nothing

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Oh! I had no idea about that. Every bit helps right now. Thank you for mentioning it.

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Thank you everyone for your helpful responses. I'm going to gather all my documents (death certificate, marriage certificate, pension statements, etc.) and apply for survivor benefits right away. It sounds like even with the GPO reduction, I should still receive a significant portion of my husband's benefit. I'll definitely check out that Claimyr service if I have trouble getting through to Social Security. It's such a relief to know I won't have to rely solely on my small pension.

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Be sure to ask specifically about the Lump Sum Death Payment of $255 when you apply - sometimes they forget to process this automatically. Also, if your husband received benefits for the month he died but they came after his death date, you generally don't need to return that payment. Make sure to clarify this when you speak with them to avoid confusion later.

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my uncle had his ss cut because of his state job pension! he was a teacher and didnt pay ss taxes so thats why. sounds like your fine if you paid ss taxes. govmnt rules are so confusing!!!!!

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Since your case seems clear (no WEP because you paid Social Security taxes while earning your pension), the only other thing to check is if any portion of your 28 years at the company might have been exempt from Social Security taxes. Some companies switched plans during certain time periods. Might be worth checking your W-2s from those earliest years just to be 100% certain. But it sounds like you're fine!

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That's a good suggestion. I'm almost positive I paid into SS the entire time, but I'll double-check those early W-2s just to be absolutely certain. Better to know now than be surprised later!

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