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Important point that hasn't been mentioned yet: When your husband goes to SSA about this issue, he should specifically request a "GPO recalculation based on pension amount change." This uses specific language their systems recognize. Also, the timing matters here. If your husband was denied in October 2023, and the pension decreased in January 2024, you're dealing with a subsequent change in circumstance rather than an incorrect initial determination. This is why the reopening request based on new and material evidence is the correct approach. One more thing - make sure he brings proof that the pension decrease is permanent and not temporary, as that affects how they process the adjustment.

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i just remembered something that might help u guys. my friends wife had something like this happen and she said that even though they were past the appeal deadline they were able to get backpay by filing whats called a "good cause" statement explaining why they didnt report the change sooner. might be worth asking about that too when u go in.

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That's really helpful, thank you! We'll definitely ask about a "good cause" statement when we go in. We honestly didn't realize we needed to report the pension change right away since the original application was denied completely.

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my dad always said never take SS early cuz of all these crazy rules! to many headaches lol

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To answer your question from earlier - typically, SSA will continue recovery efforts while a reconsideration is pending, meaning benefits could remain suspended. However, you can specifically request that recovery be paused during the appeal process. This isn't automatically granted, but it's worth requesting. Also, something important to note: if your husband has stopped working completely now, make sure SSA knows this. Once he has a month where he's below the earnings limit AND no longer working (or working very limited hours), benefits should resume for that month forward, regardless of the overpayment from previous months. The critical forms you need are: - SSA-561 (Request for Reconsideration) - SSA-632 (Request for Waiver of Overpayment Recovery) - SSA-634 (Request for Change in Overpayment Recovery Rate) Submit all three to cover all your bases. The SSA-634 specifically addresses the 10% withholding you were initially offered.

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Thank you for this detailed follow-up! My husband has completely stopped working now, so we'll definitely make sure SSA knows this. We'll submit all three forms tomorrow. I really appreciate your help!

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I just had a thought - have you considered if it might be better to withdraw your application entirely and then refile in 2025 when the new GPO rules take effect? That might reset your entitlement date and reduce those early filing penalties. Though I'm not sure if there are downsides to this approach... anyone know?

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This could work, but there are important considerations: 1. If you received any payments (even $1) before GPO suspended your benefits, you'd have to repay ALL benefits received 2. Medicare enrollment could be affected if you initially enrolled through your spouse's record 3. There's a time limit on withdrawals - typically 12 months from first entitlement The "withdrawal and refile" strategy works best if: - Your benefits were immediately offset to $0 by GPO - You never received any actual payments - You have alternate Medicare coverage or enrolled on your own record Definitely discuss with a knowledgeable SSA representative before proceeding.

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my father in law got burnt by GPO so bad... worked 40 years for the county and gets zero ss even though he paid in for 10 years at a second job. this whole system is garbage

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I agree it feels really unfair sometimes. I paid into Medicare my whole career but nearly couldn't get it without jumping through hoops. At least the reform is a step in the right direction, even if it doesn't fix everything.

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If you don't mind me asking, what conditions are you dealing with? Some conditions have much higher approval rates than others.

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I have degenerative disc disease with two failed back surgeries, severe coronary artery disease (had a heart attack last year), and type 2 diabetes that's caused neuropathy in both feet. Also dealing with depression and anxiety that my doctor says is directly related to my physical health deteriorating, but I know mental health claims are even harder to get approved.

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With that combination of serious conditions, especially with the documented heart attack and failed surgeries, you have a strong case for your hearing. Make sure your attorney has all the medical documentation, particularly anything that specifically states work limitations from your doctors. Statements about being unable to stand/walk for certain periods, inability to lift objects, need for frequent breaks, etc. are particularly valuable for your case.

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my mom is getting benefits from my dad and they divorced like 30 years ago so yeah it definitely works for exes

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I need to apologize for my earlier incorrect information! I was confusing the rules for spousal benefits with survivor/widow benefits. The other commenters are correct - you CAN switch from widow benefits to your own retirement benefits if yours would be higher. I'm so sorry for the confusion I caused.

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No worries at all! This is all very complicated. I appreciate you coming back to clarify!

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When you contact SSA, make sure you have your recent tax returns handy. They may want to verify your earnings for the recalculation. Also make sure to specifically ask about: 1. What your current widow benefit amount is (with exact figures) 2. What your own retirement benefit would be if you switched now 3. Whether waiting longer to switch would increase your own benefit further Get all three numbers so you can make an informed decision. And consider asking them to document this in your file, even if you don't make a change immediately.

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This is great advice! I'll definitely prepare my tax returns before calling and ask for these specific figures. Thank you!

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