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For your specific situation with a 12-year age gap, here's what you should consider: 1. Your husband should coordinate Medicare enrollment at 65 regardless of when he takes Social Security 2. Since you're only 52, you have 10+ years before you reach your own eligibility for retirement benefits 3. Given your age difference, maximizing your husband's benefit has long-term advantages: - Higher survivor benefits for you if he passes away first - Increased household income when you're both in your 70s and 80s - Protection against longevity risk (outliving your money) 4. For self-employed individuals with historically low reported income: - Yes, working a W-2 job with higher reported income for even 3-5 years can significantly increase benefits - Consider restructuring your business to pay yourselves higher W-2 wages if possible - Look into voluntary increased contributions to Social Security (there are limitations) The book recommendation from another commenter is excellent. I'd also suggest scheduling a consultation with an SSA claims specialist to review your specific earnings record and options. Their expertise is free and they can model different claiming strategies based on your exact situation.
One more thing to consider: if you can't qualify for survivor benefits based on this marriage, check if you might qualify based on your previous marriage if it lasted at least 10 years. If you were married to your ex for 10+ years, you could potentially claim survivor benefits on his record when he passes (or even spousal benefits if he's still living and you're both old enough). Also, when you apply, bring any evidence that you held yourselves out as married to the community - joint bank accounts, insurance policies listing each other as spouses, deeds or leases showing both names, even holiday cards addressed to you as a married couple. SSA looks at the totality of circumstances in cases like yours.
Unfortunately my previous marriage only lasted 8 years, so that won't help. But the tip about bringing evidence we presented ourselves as married is super helpful! I have plenty of that - insurance policies, joint accounts, even our wills that refer to each other as spouses. I'll gather all of that before applying. Thank you!
wait im confused now... so if her husband takes survivor benefits at 60 but keeps working until 62, would he lose some of those payments? and does the survivor benefit amount depend on when she dies or is it always the same?
Let me clarify both points: 1. Yes, if he claims survivor benefits before his FRA while still working, the earnings test would apply. For 2025, he can earn approximately $22,320 before benefits are affected. Above that, $1 in benefits is withheld for every $2 earned. So if he's earning substantially more than that limit, some or all of his survivor benefits could be temporarily withheld. 2. The survivor benefit amount is based on several factors: - If the deceased was already receiving benefits, the survivor benefit is generally based on that amount - If the deceased wasn't receiving benefits, it's based on what they would have received at their FRA - The survivor's age when they claim affects the percentage they receive (reduced if claiming before their own FRA) In the original poster's case, since she's already receiving SSDI, her husband's survivor benefit would be based on her current benefit amount (potentially with adjustments), then reduced if he claims before his FRA.
Thanks everyone for all the helpful information! Based on your responses, it sounds like our plan makes sense. My husband will probably wait until he actually retires at 62 to claim any survivor benefits (if I pass away before then) to avoid the earnings test issues. Then he can still switch to his own benefit at 70. Can anyone recommend the best way to get this strategy confirmed officially with SSA? Should we make an appointment at our local office or is there a specific department we should call?
For complex claiming strategies like this, I'd recommend scheduling an in-person appointment at your local SSA office. Bring documentation showing both your current SSDI benefit amount and your husband's latest Social Security statement showing his projected benefits at different ages. When you make the appointment, specifically request to speak with a "Technical Expert" rather than a regular Claims Representative. Technical Experts have more specialized training on complex benefits scenarios. You might also want to print relevant sections from SSA's Program Operations Manual System (POMS) about survivor benefits and switching between benefit types. This is the internal rulebook SSA employees use, and having the exact references can help ensure you get accurate information. The relevant sections are DI 10115 for SSDI conversion to survivor benefits and RS 00615 for switching between different benefit types. Finally, get any advice in writing if possible, or take detailed notes including the name of the SSA representative you speak with.
Quick follow-up on my earlier response: when you go back to SSA, ask specifically about the "restricted application" for survivor benefits. This is the technical term for what you want to do - restricting your application to ONLY the survivor benefit while letting your own retirement benefit grow. Also, you should know that survivor benefits taken before your Full Retirement Age are reduced for early claiming (unlike switching to your own benefit at 70, which doesn't get penalized). Since you're turning 65 and your FRA is 66 and 10 months, that $1,850 figure already includes the early claiming reduction. If you waited until your FRA to claim the survivor benefit, it would be slightly higher, but that's rarely the optimal financial strategy when your own benefit will exceed the survivor benefit eventually.
This is incredibly helpful information! I'll definitely use the term "restricted application" when I go back. Do you happen to know if I need to bring any special documentation with me when I apply for the survivor benefit? I have my husband's death certificate and our marriage certificate already.
Those documents are the main ones you'll need. Also bring your own ID, birth certificate if you have it (though they may already have this on file), and your Social Security card. If you've been married before for 10+ years, bring documentation about those marriages too, as you might qualify for benefits on those records as well. And definitely bring a notepad to write down the name of who you speak with and summary of advice given.
Mary Bates
Update: I went ahead and submitted my Request for Reconsideration today with copies of all my pay stubs. The representative at the field office initially gave me a hard time about having a waiver already pending, but when I explained I was disputing the calculation itself, she finally accepted it. Now I'm just anxiously waiting. Thank you all for your advice!
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Clay blendedgen
•Great job! That was absolutely the right move. Make sure you keep copies of everything you submitted, and get a receipt if possible. Reconsiderations can take 2-3 months to process, so don't panic if you don't hear anything right away. If they start making deductions from your benefits before the reconsideration is complete, you can request that they temporarily stop the collection while your appeal is pending.
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Kai Santiago
I went thru something like this but with Medicare premiums that they said I owed from 3 years ago?? I found out that if you request reconsideration they are supposed to pause collecting the overpayment until they make a decision. You might need to specifically ask for this though, they don't volunteer it!
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