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Just to offer another perspective - the SSA is COMPLETELY OVERWHELMED with applications right now specifically because of the Fairness Act changes. Thousands of government pensioners who previously wouldn't qualify for spousal benefits are now applying all at once. I work with several retired teachers who've been dealing with this exact situation. The system wasn't prepared for this volume of GPO-affected applications requiring manual review. The most efficient approach is to: 1. Wait 4 weeks from your original application date 2. If you haven't heard anything, try to speak with someone (good luck with that) 3. If you can't get through by phone, schedule an in-person appointment 4. Bring ALL documentation showing your pension amount, when it started, and proof of your marriage The specialists who handle these calculations are backlogged about 10-12 weeks right now, so patience is unfortunately necessary.
Thank you for explaining that. I had no idea they were so backlogged with these applications. That makes me feel a little better that it's not just my application getting lost. I'll try to be patient, but it's so frustrating not knowing if they're even processing it correctly.
My wife just went through this! Retired nurse with state pension applying for spousal on my record. Got the EXACT same email as you - the "not enough credits" one with no mention of spousal benefits. She panicked and reapplied which was a HUGE mistake!!! Basically reset the clock after already waiting 6 weeks. If I could offer one piece of advice: DO NOT REAPPLY! What worked for us was going to the local office in person. They confirmed her original application was being processed correctly despite the misleading email. Took another 5 weeks after that visit but she finally got approved last month.
That's really helpful to know. Was her benefit reduced a lot because of her pension? I'm trying to estimate what I might actually receive with the new rules.
Her pension is $3,100/month and she's getting about $490/month in spousal benefits. Under the old rules she would've gotten nothing, so we're actually thrilled! The calculation is complicated - depends on how much your pension is.
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My sister worked for SSA for 35 years and told me they NEVER automatically give you the best deal! You HAVE to ask specifically or they'll just keep quiet and you lose money forever! They shoulda told you all this when you first applied but they dont care about us seniors!
This isn't entirely accurate. While it's always good to be informed about your benefits, the SSA systems are designed to automatically calculate dual entitlement (when someone is eligible for their own retirement plus spousal benefits). However, it is true that they don't automatically *advise* you on claiming strategies that might maximize your benefits. They'll process what you apply for, but they don't typically suggest when you should file or how to coordinate between spouses. That's why it's good to do research or talk to a financial advisor who specializes in Social Security claiming strategies.
Thank you all for the helpful information! I've learned so much from this discussion. We're going to reconsider when my husband should file based on all your advice about spousal and survivor benefits. I think we need to look at this as a family strategy rather than just individual benefits like someone suggested. I'm also going to make an appointment with our local SSA office to make sure we understand all our options before making a decision. The difference between filing at 65 versus waiting until 70 could mean tens of thousands of dollars over our lifetime. I really appreciate everyone taking the time to explain things so clearly!
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When my mother had a similar issue with SSA misclassifying some income, we ended up contacting our Congressional representative's office. They have caseworkers who deal with federal agencies, and they contacted SSA on her behalf. The issue was resolved within 3 weeks after struggling for months on our own. Might be worth considering if your local office visit doesn't help.
I never thought about involving my representative. That's a great backup plan if the local office visit and Form SSA-632 don't work. Thanks for sharing what worked for your mother.
And watch out for the tax implications too!! If they eventually rule in your favor and pay back all the money they took, they might count THAT as income for the year they repay you!!! The whole system is a NIGHTMARE of circular problems!!!
This is partially correct. If they repay withheld benefits, it's not counted as new income, but you may need to file an amended return for the tax year in which the overpayment occurred. The IRS has specific rules for Social Security repayments under the "claim of right" doctrine. You'll want to consult with a tax professional when this is resolved.
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just make sure they apply within 30 days!!! SS doesn't backdate payments if u wait!
This isn't correct. SSA will backdate survivor benefit applications for up to 6 months, but not beyond that. So while it's best to apply immediately, the 30-day deadline mentioned isn't accurate. They shouldn't delay, but they have more than 30 days.
Random question but did your sister-in-law ever work for a state government that didn't participate in Social Security? My aunt found out her husband's survivor benefits were reduced because of something called the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) and Government Pension Offset (GPO). Just something to look into if she ever had non-SS employment.
That's a good point to consider. Fortunately, my sister-in-law only worked in the private sector, so WEP and GPO shouldn't apply in her case. I appreciate you bringing this up though - it could help someone else reading this thread.
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Another important consideration: Since you mentioned your ex-husband was a high earner and you worked in education, have you checked if you might be subject to the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) or Government Pension Offset (GPO)? If you receive a pension from work not covered by Social Security (like some public school systems), it could affect your benefits.
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Clarissa Flair
•Thankfully I don't have to worry about WEP or GPO. I worked at private schools, not public, so all my earnings were covered by Social Security.
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Natalie Khan
I just want to say its really smart that your planning ahead like this. When my husband passed suddenly I was completely unprepared for all the complex benefit decisions and probly made some costly mistakes. Wishing you and your ex the best!!
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Clarissa Flair
•Thank you for your kind words. I'm sorry for your loss and appreciate you sharing your experience. It's helping me be better prepared.
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