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Wait i'm confused...I thought the spousal benefit reduction was only based on when YOU file...but I thought the survivor benefit reduction was based on when the DECEASED person filed??? Is that not right?? Can someone clarify??
There are two separate reductions that can apply to survivor benefits: 1. If the deceased spouse took reduced retirement benefits, the survivor benefit maximum is limited (with some exceptions). 2. If the surviving spouse claims survivor benefits before their own FRA, the survivor benefit is reduced based on the survivor's age. In the original poster's case, since her husband already took reduced benefits at 62, her eventual survivor benefit maximum is already affected by that decision. If she also takes her spousal benefit early, and later converts to survivor benefits, that early filing reduction would not carry over to the survivor benefit - that's a common misconception.
After reading through this discussion, I think there's an important distinction that needs clarification: The reduction from claiming spousal benefits early does NOT carry over to survivor benefits. These are completely separate calculations. For survivor benefits: 1. If you claim survivor benefits before your FRA, they are reduced based on YOUR age at the time you claim THOSE benefits. 2. Survivor benefits can be affected by whether your deceased spouse claimed early, but NOT by whether YOU claimed spousal benefits early. This is a common area of confusion. You can claim reduced spousal benefits early, and later still receive unreduced survivor benefits if you wait until your FRA to claim them (assuming your spouse didn't take reduced benefits, which in this case he did at 62).
The tax situation depends on your state too! Some states like NM, UT, VT tax Social Security benefits while others like FL, TX, WA have no state income tax at all. Where do you live? That could make a big difference in your calculations.
Since no one has mentioned it yet - you might want to run some actual numbers on the break-even analysis. If your wife claims at 67 versus waiting until 70, she'll need to live until approximately age 82-83 to break even (where the total benefits received by delaying equal what she would have received by filing at 67). Any years beyond that break-even point would favor delaying. Given that a woman who reaches 67 has an average life expectancy into her mid-80s, statistically delaying often makes sense, even accounting for the taxation of benefits.
Since ALS is progressive and your sister's speech is already affected, I'd suggest looking into assistive technology right away, in addition to the benefits applications. Many ALS patients use eye-tracking technology and speech generating devices that Medicare will cover with the right documentation. Ask her neurologist for a referral to a speech-language pathologist who specializes in ALS right away. They can help with both communication strategies and the documentation needed for Medicare to cover communication devices when needed.
I know everyone's focused on the SSDI/SSI question, but don't forget to look into whether your sister's state has a Medicaid waiver program that could help with home care. Many ALS patients eventually need significant assistance, and these waiver programs can provide caregivers, equipment, and home modifications. The income/asset limits are sometimes more flexible than regular Medicaid too. Also, has she worked enough recently to qualify for short or long-term disability through her business? That might provide some immediate income while the SSDI application is being processed, even with the expedited timeline.
Update: I finally managed to get through to SSA this morning! They confirmed my husband's application is still processing (ugh) but should be completed within the next two weeks. And yes, with his birthday being the 27th, his first payment will come on February 26th. They also said we'll receive an award letter about 2-3 weeks before the first payment. Thanks everyone for your help!
I actually ended up using that Claimyr service someone mentioned above. Felt a little silly paying to get through to a government agency we all fund with our taxes, but I was desperate after weeks of trying. Got connected to an agent in about 25 minutes!
Tyrone Johnson
Quick update on my experience - after my waiver was approved for that 1981 overpayment, I asked the SSA rep what caused these ancient claims to suddenly appear. She explained that SSA has been digitizing old paper records, and sometimes these conversions flag previously undetected issues in their automated systems. So it's not that they've been sitting on this for 47 years - their system likely just identified it during some database modernization. Still frustrating, but at least explains the bizarre timing.
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LilMama23
•OF COURSE this is happening because of computers! They care more about their automated systems than actual HUMANS. So typical of government agencies these days. No common sense at all!!!
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Aisha Patel
UPDATE: I filed both the waiver and reconsideration forms yesterday. The SSA office actually had a helpful person who explained they're seeing several of these old student benefit cases right now due to a system modernization project (just like @RetirementPlanner mentioned). She seemed to think the waiver had a good chance of approval given the time passage and that I was a dependent student. I'll update again when I hear the final decision. Thanks everyone for your advice - I feel much more confident about handling this now instead of just paying it out of frustration!
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Dmitri Volkov
•Glad to hear you're making progress! One more tip: make sure to keep copies of everything you submit and get a receipt or confirmation number for your waiver and reconsideration requests. These things have been known to get lost in their system, especially during transitions like the digitization project they're working on.
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