Confusing SS denial letter when applying for spousal benefits with government pension - WEP/GPO question
I retired from teaching last year after 26 years (state pension) but I only have about 32 SS credits from summer jobs way back. Last month I applied online for Social Security spousal benefits based on my husband's record. He's been drawing his full retirement benefit since 2022 (about $2,250/month), and I thought with the new GPO/WEP Fairness Act changes, I could finally get some spousal benefits despite my teacher's pension. Just got an email from SSA yesterday that completely ignored my spousal benefit application! It just stated I "don't have enough work credits for SS retirement benefits" and asked if I had proof of additional qualifying work. Nothing about my spousal application at all. I'm confused - did they just miss the spousal part of my application? Should I submit a whole new application specifically for spousal benefits or will they eventually review that part of my original application too? Has anyone else with a government pension applied for spousal benefits recently? I'm worried if I reapply it might delay things even more.
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Avery Davis
This is a common issue with online applications when Government Pension Offset (GPO) and Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) are involved. The automated system often generates the standard "not enough credits" response without addressing the spousal benefits portion. Don't reapply - that will just start the process over. Instead, call SSA directly to follow up. Explain that you applied for spousal benefits based on your husband's record and mention the Social Security Fairness Act modifications to GPO. Ask them to check if your application is being processed correctly as a spousal benefit claim. Keep in mind that even with the recent changes, your spousal benefit will still likely be reduced somewhat due to your pension, but you should definitely be eligible for something if your husband is receiving $2,250/month.
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Ev Luca
•Thank you for that information! I've been trying to call for two days but can't get through - just endless hold times and then disconnects. Is there a better time of day to call? I'm getting really anxious about this.
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Collins Angel
same thing happened to my sister!! she retired from county job and her husban get SS. they sent her the exect same email. she had to go to the office in person to fix it took 3 hours but they found her application for spousal. don't reapply!!!
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Ev Luca
•Thanks for sharing that. Unfortunately my closest office is 45 minutes away and I've heard they have huge wait times even with appointments. Did they end up approving her spousal benefits with the government pension?
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Collins Angel
•yes but it took like 6 weeks after she went in. they had to do some special calculation with her pension. she got backpay too.
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Marcelle Drum
I had EXACTLY this problem last year! The SSA systems are not set up well to handle GPO/WEP cases, especially with the Fairness Act changes. Their computer system just sees "not enough credits" and spits out that standard email without checking for spousal benefits eligibility. DO NOT REAPPLY! It will just restart your waiting period. You need to speak with someone who understands GPO calculations. I wasted weeks trying to call with no luck, always disconnected after long holds. I finally used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me through to a real SSA agent in about 20 minutes. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU. The agent was able to see both parts of my application and confirmed they were processing the spousal benefits correctly despite the misleading email. With GPO cases they have to manually calculate your benefit amount based on your pension and when you started receiving it, so it takes longer than standard applications.
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Ev Luca
•Thank you for the suggestion! I'm desperate to talk to a real person at this point. Did they end up approving your spousal benefits even with the government pension? I'm worried they'll just deny me entirely.
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Marcelle Drum
•Yes, they did approve mine! Under the old rules, my pension would have wiped out almost all my spousal benefit, but with the Fairness Act changes, I now get about $670/month in spousal benefits. My state pension is around $2,900/month for reference. The agent I spoke with was very familiar with the new calculation method.
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Tate Jensen
The email you received is just an automated response based on the retirement portion of your application. Your spousal benefits application is still being processed separately, but the system doesn't tell you that. Since the Social Security Fairness Act changed how GPO affects spousal benefits, these applications require manual review by specialists who understand the new calculation methods. This typically takes 6-8 weeks longer than standard applications. I recommend you: 1. Don't reapply - it will only delay things 2. Call and specifically ask about the status of your SPOUSAL benefits application 3. Request to speak with a technical expert who handles GPO cases 4. Have your pension amount documentation ready With your husband receiving $2,250/month, your maximum spousal benefit would be $1,125 (50%), but that will be reduced by a modified GPO calculation based on your teacher's pension amount.
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Adaline Wong
•Exactly this! My wife went through this exact situation. The email response system is completely separate from the spousal benefits processing system. So frustrating!!!
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Gabriel Ruiz
Wait, I'm confused. I thought the Fairness Act completely eliminated the GPO? Why would her benefit still be reduced? My husband has a federal pension and we were planning for me to apply for spousal benefits on his record next year. Will I still face reductions???
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Tate Jensen
•The Social Security Fairness Act didn't completely eliminate GPO - it modified the formula to be less punitive. Previously, your spousal benefit would be reduced by 2/3 of your government pension amount, which often eliminated the entire benefit. Now it uses a progressive reduction scale based on your pension amount, so most people get to keep more of their spousal benefit. Under the new rules, the first $1,000 of your monthly pension reduces your spousal benefit by 30%, the next $1,500 reduces it by 35%, and anything above $2,500 reduces it by 40%. This is much better than the flat 2/3 reduction from before.
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Gabriel Ruiz
•Oh no! I've been planning all wrong then. I thought the GPO was completely gone now. That changes everything for our retirement budget. So frustrating how complicated they make these rules!
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Misterclamation Skyblue
Just to offer another perspective - the SSA is COMPLETELY OVERWHELMED with applications right now specifically because of the Fairness Act changes. Thousands of government pensioners who previously wouldn't qualify for spousal benefits are now applying all at once. I work with several retired teachers who've been dealing with this exact situation. The system wasn't prepared for this volume of GPO-affected applications requiring manual review. The most efficient approach is to: 1. Wait 4 weeks from your original application date 2. If you haven't heard anything, try to speak with someone (good luck with that) 3. If you can't get through by phone, schedule an in-person appointment 4. Bring ALL documentation showing your pension amount, when it started, and proof of your marriage The specialists who handle these calculations are backlogged about 10-12 weeks right now, so patience is unfortunately necessary.
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Ev Luca
•Thank you for explaining that. I had no idea they were so backlogged with these applications. That makes me feel a little better that it's not just my application getting lost. I'll try to be patient, but it's so frustrating not knowing if they're even processing it correctly.
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Adaline Wong
My wife just went through this! Retired nurse with state pension applying for spousal on my record. Got the EXACT same email as you - the "not enough credits" one with no mention of spousal benefits. She panicked and reapplied which was a HUGE mistake!!! Basically reset the clock after already waiting 6 weeks. If I could offer one piece of advice: DO NOT REAPPLY! What worked for us was going to the local office in person. They confirmed her original application was being processed correctly despite the misleading email. Took another 5 weeks after that visit but she finally got approved last month.
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Ev Luca
•That's really helpful to know. Was her benefit reduced a lot because of her pension? I'm trying to estimate what I might actually receive with the new rules.
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Adaline Wong
•Her pension is $3,100/month and she's getting about $490/month in spousal benefits. Under the old rules she would've gotten nothing, so we're actually thrilled! The calculation is complicated - depends on how much your pension is.
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