Social Security rejected my spousal benefits with GPO/WEP - no explanation after application approval
I'm really confused about my spousal benefit application status. I submitted my application online about a month ago, and initially it said it was accepted. But now when I check my MySocialSecurity homepage, it just shows 'not entitled to a benefit' with zero explanation! I'm 75 years old and never applied for my own SS before because I worked for a county government for 40 years and knew GPO/WEP would affect me (I have 39 of the 40 credits under Social Security). My husband (78) and I have been married for 44 years, and he started collecting his SS when he was 62. I thought I'd finally be eligible for at least some spousal benefits despite the GPO reduction. There's no way to see my actual application to check if I made a mistake, and I haven't received any notice or letter explaining the rejection. Is SSA still processing my spousal benefit claim? Should I call them? Reapply? I'm completely lost on what to do next!
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Aisha Rahman
The "not entitled to a benefit" message usually means they've made a determination, not that they're still processing. But this is odd because with GPO, you should still be entitled to *some* benefit, even if it's reduced. The GPO typically reduces your spousal benefit by 2/3 of your government pension amount. Do you receive a large pension that might zero out your entire potential spousal benefit? Either way, you need to contact SSA directly for an explanation - this isn't something that will resolve on its own.
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QuantumQueen
•Thank you for responding! My pension is about $2,900/month. My husband's SS benefit is around $1,650, so I thought I'd get something small after the GPO reduction (maybe $100-150). I'll try calling them, but I've already tried 3 times and kept getting disconnected after 45+ minutes on hold. Is there a better way to reach someone?
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Ethan Wilson
same thing happened 2 me! i worked for the school district 35 yrs & applied for my husbands SS benefit last year. took FOREVER to hear anything back & then just got denied with no clear reason. had to call like 12 times before i got someone who explained that my pension was 2 big for me to get any spousal money at all. so frustrating!!
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QuantumQueen
•Oh no! That's exactly what I'm afraid of. Did they at least send you a letter explaining the calculation? I haven't received anything. I'm wondering if they calculated something wrong because I know other former coworkers who still got a small spousal benefit.
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Yuki Sato
You might need to visit your local SS office in person to get this sorted out. Sometimes the online system doesn't show all the details.
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Carmen Flores
•Going in person is actually a nightmare right now - most offices have 2-3 hour waits if you don't have an appointment, and appointments are booked 2+ months out in many locations. I'd recommend trying their phone line first, but use Claimyr (claimyr.com) to get through the phone maze. They'll call SSA and navigate the hold system for you, then call you when they have an agent on the line. Saved me hours of frustration when dealing with my own GPO issue. There's a video showing how it works here: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU
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Andre Dubois
I'm a retired SSA claims specialist, so let me explain what might be happening: When GPO applies, we take 2/3 of your non-covered pension and subtract it from your potential spousal benefit. With your pension at $2,900, that's approximately $1,933 that would be subtracted from your spousal benefit. Your husband claiming at 62 means his benefit is permanently reduced (probably to about 75% of his full retirement age amount). As his spouse, your maximum potential spousal benefit would be 50% of his FULL retirement age benefit amount, not his reduced amount. So if his current benefit is $1,650, his FRA benefit might have been around $2,200. Your maximum spousal benefit would be $1,100 (50% of $2,200). After subtracting the GPO reduction ($1,933), you'd get $0 because the reduction exceeds the potential benefit. You should receive a formal determination letter explaining this calculation. If you haven't received it yet, that's a problem that needs addressing.
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QuantumQueen
•Thank you so much for this detailed explanation! The math makes sense now. My husband's FRA benefit would have been about $2,150 if he had waited. So I guess with the GPO reduction being $1,933, that would leave almost nothing from the potential $1,075 spousal benefit. I'm still frustrated that I haven't received ANY explanation letter though. Shouldn't they be required to explain their determination?
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CyberSamurai
THE WHOLE GPO THING IS A SCAM!!! I worked as a teacher for 32 years and got ROBBED of my rightful SS benefits because of this stupid law. We pay into the system through other jobs and can't get our FULL BENEFITS! Call your congressperson and tell them to repeal GPO/WEP!! This has been going on for DECADES and nobody fixes it!!!
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Ethan Wilson
•YESSS!!! THIS!! i paid into SS for 10 yrs b4 becoming a teacher and that money is just GONE!!!!
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Zoe Alexopoulos
maybe check ur spam folder for the letter? or maybe they sent it to wrong address? ive had SS mail go to my old address before even after i updated my info online
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QuantumQueen
•Good thought. I've checked my spam and also looked through all my mail carefully for the past month. Nothing from SSA at all. I've lived at this address for 15 years and all my other SSA communications have arrived here correctly. I'm wondering if there was a glitch in their system.
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Aisha Rahman
It's definitely worth calling SSA to request a formal determination letter. They're required to provide one for any benefit decision. With the GPO math others have explained, it seems likely your benefit was calculated to be $0, but you still deserve an official explanation. One other thing to check: verify that they have your correct pension amount. If they somehow have an incorrect (higher) pension amount on record, your GPO reduction could be incorrectly calculated. Also, if your pension has any survivor benefit components or other reductions that affect the gross amount, make sure SSA is using the correct net figure for GPO calculations.
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QuantumQueen
•That's a great point about checking the pension amount! I actually took a slightly reduced pension to ensure my husband would continue receiving 75% if I passed away. I wonder if they're using the gross amount before that reduction. I'll definitely ask about this when I call. Thank you for the suggestion!
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Carmen Flores
After reading all these comments, it sounds like you need to: 1) Verify they have the correct pension amount, 2) Request a formal determination letter explaining their calculation, and 3) Ask if there are any appeal options if you believe there's an error. I went through something similar with my WEP determination last year. The key is getting someone knowledgeable on the phone who understands GPO/WEP calculations. Unfortunately, many front-line representatives aren't fully versed in these complicated provisions. When you call, politely ask to speak with a technical expert or someone who specializes in government pension offset cases.
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QuantumQueen
•Thank you for laying it out so clearly. I'll definitely ask for a technical expert when I call. It seems like the regular representatives might not fully understand all the GPO details. I'll update this thread once I get more information. I appreciate everyone's help!
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