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I've been collecting Social Security survivor benefits since I turned 60 after my husband passed away. I'm turning 67 in about 3 months (my full retirement age), and I've been working part-time since I turned 65. My own retirement benefit would be higher than what I receive now from survivors, but I'm wondering if it makes financial sense to switch now or wait longer? My current part-time job doesn't pay much - I'm only making about $15,000 a year. My boss is fantastic and I enjoy the work, so I don't mind continuing if waiting would significantly increase my benefit. My survivor benefit is about $2,150/month, and my own retirement would be around $2,850/month at my FRA. Is the 8% increase per year for delaying worth it in my situation since I'm already receiving survivors? I'm confused about whether I should just switch at FRA or if waiting until 70 makes more sense financially. Thanks for any advice!
I'm beyond frustrated with how the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) is destroying the value of my foreign pension. I worked in Finland for 18 years contributing to their pension system, then moved to the US where I've been paying into Social Security for 22 years with substantial earnings. Here's my current nightmare: - Finnish monthly pension: $1,250 - Finnish tax takes: $215 - US state taxes take: $42 - WEP reduction to my US Social Security: $875 After all these deductions, I'm only seeing about $118 in actual benefit from my Finnish pension! That's less than 10% of what I earned. It's completely absurd that WEP is calculated on the GROSS amount of my foreign pension, not what I actually receive after taxes. I've had an appeal pending with SSA since February 2025 (almost 9 months now) disputing their WEP calculation. Despite calling repeatedly, I can't get any update on when they'll make a decision. I've heard there's movement on repealing WEP in Congress. Does anyone know if the proposed changes would help those of us with foreign pensions? Or is it only focused on government employees with US pensions? I'm desperate for any information on how a potential repeal might impact my situation.
my neighbor said her congresman told her the wep repeal might be included in end of year budget stuff. has anyone else heard this??
I'm in a very similar situation with my UK pension! I worked there for 16 years and the WEP is absolutely crushing me financially. What really gets me is that they calculate WEP based on the gross foreign pension amount, completely ignoring that we're already paying taxes on it to the foreign country AND sometimes to the US as well. I've been following the legislative efforts closely, and from what I understand, the Social Security 2100 Act would completely eliminate WEP for ALL affected beneficiaries, including those with foreign pensions like us. The other bill (Public Servants Protection and Fairness Act) would only provide partial relief but it's more targeted toward US government employees. One thing that might help in the meantime - have you considered consulting with a tax professional who specializes in international taxation? Sometimes there are ways to structure things or claim certain deductions that can reduce the overall impact, though it won't fix the underlying WEP problem. Also, definitely try that escalation process that Savannah mentioned. After 9 months, you have every right to demand answers from SSA. Keep pushing - squeaky wheel gets the grease!
I'm trying to understand when the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) comes into play with survivor benefits. My husband passed away last year, and I have a pension from my teaching career (non-covered employment). We have two kids (13 and 15) who are receiving survivor benefits. I'm not taking any benefits myself yet since I'm only 48. Does the WEP affect my children's survivor benefits now while they're minors? Or does it only become an issue when I reach retirement age and apply for my own benefits or widow's benefits? I've searched the SSA website but keep getting confused between WEP and GPO. The SSA representative I spoke with gave me a vague answer that just made me more confused. Any insights would be really helpful before I try calling again.
Has anyone here actually had success getting the GPO removed or reduced?? I read somewhere that if you work your last 5 years in a job covered by Social Security the GPO doesn't apply?? Is that true??
Unfortunately, that's a common misconception. The "last 5 years" rule you're thinking of actually applies to WEP, not GPO, and even then it's quite restrictive. To be exempt from WEP, you need 30+ years of "substantial earnings" under Social Security (not just 5 years at the end of your career). For GPO, there is a narrow exemption if you're a government employee whose pension is from a job where you WERE paying Social Security taxes. But for typical state/local government pensions where you weren't paying into Social Security (like many teacher pensions), GPO will still apply regardless of other work you do. I've never heard of anyone successfully getting GPO removed unless they truly qualified for one of the legal exemptions.
As a fellow educator who's been navigating these waters, I want to emphasize what others have said - your children's benefits are completely safe from any GPO or WEP reductions. That's the most important thing right now. I'd also suggest creating a my Social Security account online if you haven't already. While it won't show GPO calculations, you can see your earnings history and get benefit estimates. This will help you prepare for future decisions about when to claim benefits and whether your own retirement benefit might be better than the GPO-reduced widow's benefit. One thing I learned from my own research: some states have modified their teacher retirement systems in recent years. Depending on when you started teaching and which state you're in, you might be in a "hybrid" system where you DO pay Social Security taxes on part of your earnings. This could affect your GPO calculation, so it's worth verifying with your pension administrator exactly what type of system you're in. The key is getting accurate information now so you can plan ahead. Don't let the confusing phone calls discourage you - your situation is manageable once you understand the rules.
I want to have federal taxes withheld from my Social Security payments but I'm confused about the process. I've been told I need form W-4V, but I have several questions: 1) Where's the best place to get this form - SSA.gov or IRS website? If it's from SSA, does it come with their TIN and address already filled in? If not, where do I find that information? 2) I'm concerned about security. If I make an appointment at my local Social Security office and bring the completed form, will they input my information while I'm there? I'm worried about mailing or faxing forms with my personal data unless I know they have a secure system. Does anyone know if they have protected electronic faxing? 3) Once the form is processed, approximately how long before the tax withholding actually starts? I'm turning 67 in March and just started collecting my retirement benefits. I'd rather have taxes taken out now than deal with a big tax bill next year. Thanks for any advice!
To follow up on your security concerns: SSA has secure internal procedures for handling forms with personal information, but they won't process forms in front of you. They use their Modernized Claims System (MCS) to input withholding requests, but this happens in their back office processing centers. One option for more security: you can complete the W-4V online through your my Social Security account in some cases, avoiding paper forms entirely. Have you checked if that's available to you?
Hey Sean! I just went through this exact process about 6 months ago when I started my Social Security benefits. Here's what I learned: For security, I ended up doing a hybrid approach - I filled out the W-4V form at home (got it from IRS.gov), made copies, then took it to my local SSA office. They gave me a receipt with the date and their initials, which made me feel better about having proof of submission. The processing time was about 5-6 weeks for me, and I could see the withholding start on my monthly benefit statement. One thing nobody mentioned - you can actually change or stop the withholding later if needed by submitting a new W-4V. Also, since you're just starting benefits, you might want to consider whether you need the full 7% minimum withheld. I started with 7% but realized it was too much for my situation and switched to quarterly estimated payments instead. You can always adjust if needed! The SSA folks were actually pretty helpful when I went in person, even though they couldn't process it on the spot. Having that receipt gave me peace of mind.
Hey everyone, trying to put together our retirement plans and I'm confused about spousal benefits. My wife was born March 1959 (FRA 66y 10m) and I was born November 1958 (FRA 66y 8m). Her SS estimate at FRA is about $1,750/month, and at 70 it would be around $2,200. My benefit is much higher - about $3,300 at FRA and $4,100 if I wait until 70 (which I'm planning to do). I'm trying to figure out her optimal filing strategy and have several questions: 1) If my wife claims at her FRA, then when I file at 70, would her spousal benefit be based on 50% of my FRA amount ($3,300) minus her own benefit? So $1,650 - $1,750 = $0 additional? Or am I calculating this wrong? 2) Is there any reason for her to wait beyond her FRA since her own benefit is less than half of mine? 3) Does the spousal benefit automatically kick in when I file, or do we need to apply for it? 4) Since she was born on the 1st of the month, does her FRA actually fall at the end of the previous month? 5) What's the best way to apply - online or in-person at SSA office? Thanks for any help! I want to make sure we're maximizing our benefits.
One last important point: Make sure you both have continuous earnings records with Social Security. If either of you has years with zero or low earnings, working a bit longer could potentially increase your benefit amounts by replacing those lower-earning years in the calculation. SSA uses your highest 35 years of earnings (indexed for inflation) to calculate benefits. This might be particularly relevant for your wife if she had years out of the workforce.
Just wanted to add one more perspective as someone who recently went through this process. Based on everyone's responses, it sounds like you've got the right understanding now - your wife should file at her FRA since she won't get any spousal benefits anyway. But here's something to consider: even though she won't get spousal benefits now, if your circumstances change (like if you become disabled or pass away), the survivor benefits could be significantly higher since you're waiting until 70. So your strategy of her filing at FRA and you waiting until 70 makes sense from both a cash flow and long-term planning perspective. Also, I'd recommend calling SSA about 3-4 months before her FRA to start the application process. Even though online is easier, sometimes it helps to have a phone conversation to confirm all the details, especially with the birth date quirk (being born on the 1st). Good luck with your planning!
Carter Holmes
After reading all your helpful comments, I've decided I'll definitely switch to my own retirement benefit when I reach my FRA in 3 months. The math makes sense - getting that extra $700/month right away is better than waiting. And I'll continue my part-time job since I enjoy it and there's no earnings limit after FRA. I have an appointment scheduled with SSA next week to discuss the switch. Thanks everyone for your advice and sharing your experiences!
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Sophia Long
Smart choice! Enjoy that extra money! ๐
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Sofia Torres
Congratulations on making a well-informed decision! It sounds like you really thought this through with everyone's help. That extra $700/month will make a real difference in your quality of life, and it's great that you can keep doing work you enjoy without worrying about earnings limits. Best of luck with your SSA appointment next week - hopefully it goes smoothly and you can get everything switched over without any hassles!
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