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My neighbor went thru this last year and she said don't forget the $255 death benefit! I know it's not much but every little bit helps right now I'm sure.

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yea its a joke they havent raised that in like 40 years. $255 barely covers anything these days

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To answer your follow-up question: Yes, if your mom takes reduced survivor benefits now at 61, she can absolutely switch to her own retirement benefit later if it would be higher. This is called the "restricted application" strategy for survivors. Since she's still working part-time, she should be aware of the earnings limit. In 2025, if she earns more than $22,300 while collecting survivor benefits before her FRA, SSA will withhold $1 in benefits for every $2 she earns above that limit. The good news is that any benefits withheld aren't lost forever - they'll be returned to her in the form of a benefit recalculation after she reaches FRA. Also, don't forget that she needs to apply for benefits within 3 months of your father's passing to potentially get back payments to the month of his death.

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I had no idea about the earnings limit or the 3-month timeframe. Thank you so much for mentioning that. We'll make getting her application in right away a priority. I really appreciate everyone's help here - it's making a difficult situation a little more manageable.

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Just a heads up! The earnings recalculation is automatic BUT sometimes they miss it. My husband's wasn't done until he called and asked about it. Then they found the "error" and fixed it with back payment. So apply now, but mark your calendar for October 2025 to check if your benefit increased from the 2024 earnings.

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That's a great suggestion! I'll definitely set a reminder to follow up if I don't see any adjustment by fall 2025. Thanks for looking out!

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Omar Zaki

btw if ur turning FRA in march but apply now ur not loosing 8% per year anymore anyway. once ur at FRA thats done. just the max u can get at that point

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This is partially correct but needs clarification. The 8% per year delayed retirement credits only apply AFTER reaching Full Retirement Age. From FRA to age 70, you earn 8% per year (or 2/3% per month) in permanent benefit increases for delaying. So if the original poster starts benefits exactly at FRA in March, they would still have the option to earn those increases if they delayed past FRA up to age 70.

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My neighbor was in construction too, waited til 67 to retire and had a heart attack 3 months later!!! Spent his last year in and out of hospitals. What good did those extra dollars do him? NONE. The system is rigged to make us work ourselves to death.

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I'm very sorry about your neighbor. While anecdotes like this are powerful, it's important to balance them with comprehensive planning. Each person's health situation, financial needs, and family longevity is different. That said, quality of life considerations should absolutely factor into retirement timing decisions. A balanced approach considers both financial security and well-being.

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One thing no one's mentioned yet - have you considered the impact on your spouse if something happened to you? If you claim early and pass away before her, her survivor benefit would be based on your reduced amount (though there are some special rules that might apply). If you think she might rely on your benefit as a survivor someday, waiting for a higher amount might be worth considering. On the other hand, if she'll always use her own higher benefit amount, then this is less of a concern. Just something else to factor into your decision.

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That's a really important point I hadn't thought about. Given the health issues in my family history, the survivor benefit could matter. Though as you said, her own benefit is substantially higher than mine would be even at FRA, so she'd probably continue on her own benefit if I passed first. But definitely something to consider in the overall picture.

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has anyone mentioned restricted application? my brother did that with spousal benefits but im not sure if it applies for survivors benefits the same way

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The restricted application rules were phased out for most beneficiaries by the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2015, but survivor benefits work differently. Widows/widowers still maintain the ability to choose between their own retirement benefit and the survivor benefit, and can switch between them. This is why the strategy of claiming reduced survivor benefits early and then switching to their own retirement benefit at FRA (or later) can be advantageous for some people.

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After reading through all these comments, I'd recommend scheduling an appointment with SSA to get the exact numbers for your situation. The general advice here is helpful, but only SSA can tell you exactly what your benefit amounts would be with the earnings test applied. If your reduced survivor benefit after the earnings test would be at least a few hundred dollars per month, and your husband's benefit was significantly higher than your own, it might be worth applying now. You'd get some extra income for 4 years, and then switch to your own benefit at FRA. However, if the amount after the earnings test would be minimal, the paperwork and hassle of applying might not be worth it. Remember that you'll need to provide marriage certificate, death certificate, proof of your earnings, and potentially other documentation. Have you considered reducing your work hours to stay under the earnings limit? That might be another strategy worth exploring if it's feasible in your situation.

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Thank you for pulling everything together. I hadn't thought about reducing my hours - that's an interesting idea, but probably not feasible with my current position. I think I'll try to reach SSA to get the exact numbers before making a decision.

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my sister got survivor benefits 15 years after her husband died so yes its possible. good luck getting anyone at SS to answer the phone tho lol

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One final point that might help your brother: When he speaks with SSA, he should specifically ask them to run a computation for BOTH benefits - his own reduced retirement benefit AND what he'd receive as a survivor. The higher amount is what he'll get going forward. If the survivor benefit is higher, they'll essentially switch him to that benefit and discontinue his own retirement benefit.

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Thank you all for the helpful information! My brother has an appointment next week to discuss this with SSA. I'm going with him to make sure he asks all the right questions about comparing his current benefit to potential survivor benefits. I appreciate everyone's advice!

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