How much in survivor benefits can I expect at 60? SS office won't give estimate until I apply
I lost my wife to cancer 6 years ago when she was only 44. I'm currently 58 and thinking about claiming survivor benefits when I turn 60. The problem is, I have no idea how much I might receive, which makes retirement planning incredibly difficult. I called the Social Security office yesterday hoping to get at least a ballpark figure of what my survivor benefits might be. The representative told me they can't provide any estimates and I'd have to wait until I'm actually ready to apply to find out the amount. This seems ridiculous to me! How am I supposed to make financial plans without knowing what income I'll have? My wife worked consistently for about 20 years before her illness, making around $65,000 annually in her final years. I'm still working (making about $72,000) but wanted to possibly reduce hours when I hit 60 if the survivor benefits would help bridge the gap. Has anyone here successfully gotten an estimate of survivor benefits before applying? Is there some other way to calculate this myself? I'm just trying to be financially prepared and feel like SSA is making this unnecessarily difficult.
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TechNinja
You absolutely can get an estimate before applying! The SSA rep gave you incorrect information. There are several ways to estimate your survivor benefits: 1. Create a my Social Security account online and view your deceased wife's earnings record (you'll need to verify your identity) 2. Use the survivor benefits calculator on SSA.gov, though it's somewhat simplified 3. Call SSA again and specifically request a "survivor benefit estimate" - some reps don't know this is possible 4. Visit your local SSA office in person with your ID and your wife's death certificate At 60, you'd receive about 71.5% of your wife's full retirement benefit amount. Based on her earnings history, this could be roughly $1,600-2,000 monthly, but that's just my educated guess without knowing her complete work record. Keep in mind that if you work while receiving benefits before your full retirement age (67), you'll be subject to the earnings test, which could reduce your benefits temporarily.
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Lena Müller
•Thank you SO MUCH for this detailed information! I had no idea I could see her earnings record through my online account. I'll definitely create one today. About the earnings test - do you know what the current limit is? If I'm making $72k now but dropped to part-time at around $45k after claiming at 60, would that still trigger a reduction?
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Keisha Thompson
u can just multiply her PIA by 71.5% that's ur benefit at 60. if u wait til ur FRA ull get 100% of her PIA. google "social security PIA calculator" and put in her earnings to figure it out. the SS ppl r usually clueless when u call
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Paolo Bianchi
•not entirely accurate, survivor benefits are more complicated than that. the 71.5% at age 60 is correct but the actual benefit depends on whether the deceased claimed benefits early or delayed claiming. If she never claimed, then it's based on her PIA at her FRA.
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Yara Assad
I went through this exact same situation last year when I was planning for claiming survivor benefits after my husband passed. The key is calling SSA repeatedly until you get someone who actually knows what they're talking about. It took me 5 calls! Ultimately, what worked for me was requesting a "SURVIVOR BENEFIT CALCULATION" specifically using those words. They can absolutely provide an estimate – they just aren't trained properly. In my experience, you'll save yourself hours of frustration by using Claimyr (claimyr.com) to get through to an agent quickly. I was skeptical at first, but after spending days trying to get through the regular line, I tried it and connected to an agent in minutes. Their video demo shows exactly how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU Once you do get an estimation, make sure you also ask about the earnings limitation since you plan to keep working. At your age and income level, that will significantly impact your benefit amount.
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Lena Müller
•Thanks for this advice. I've literally spent hours on hold with SSA in the past, so I might check out that service you mentioned. The earnings limitation is definitely a concern - I'm trying to figure out if it makes more sense to just wait until FRA to claim if I'm going to keep working anyway.
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Olivia Clark
OMG the SSA is THE WORST!!!! I tried getting survivor benefit info when my husband died in 2019 and they kept telling me different things EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. I called! One person said I'd get about $1900/month, another said $1400, and a third person told me they couldn't estimate at all!!! I ended up just waiting until I was ready to apply (I was 61) and guess what? It was $1650 - right in the middle of the previous estimates. The whole system is BROKEN!!!!
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Javier Morales
•This is pretty common actually. Different SSA reps have different levels of training. The estimates can vary because they might be calculating based on different assumptions about your work history or when you'll stop working.
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TechNinja
Quick follow-up on the earnings limit question: For 2025, if you claim at 60, the earnings limit will likely be around $22,500 (it increases slightly each year with inflation). For every $2 you earn above that limit, your benefits are reduced by $1. With your $72,000 income, you'd be about $49,500 over the limit, which means your benefits could be reduced by approximately $24,750 for the year. If you reduced to $45,000, you'd still be $22,500 over the limit with a reduction of about $11,250. This is why many people working full-time choose to wait until their Full Retirement Age to claim, as the earnings test no longer applies after FRA.
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Natasha Petrov
•One important thing to remember is that the benefits that are withheld due to the earnings test aren't lost forever. When you reach your FRA, SSA recalculates your benefit amount to credit you for the months when benefits were withheld. It's essentially a forced delay of benefits rather than a penalty.
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Paolo Bianchi
I'm not sure why everyone is making this so complicated. Just go to ssa.gov and create an account. You can see your deceased spouse's earnings record there. The system won't calculate your survivor benefit directly, but at least you'll have the earnings information to work with. That's what I did when my wife passed.
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Lena Müller
•I created an account yesterday after getting advice here, but I don't see any way to access my wife's earnings record. Did you have to do something special to see your spouse's information?
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Natasha Petrov
Based on the information you've provided, I'll try to give you a rough estimate. If your wife worked for 20 years making around $65,000 in her final years, her Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) might be approximately $2,200-2,500 per month if she had reached Full Retirement Age. At age 60, survivor benefits are reduced to 71.5% of that amount, so you might receive around $1,570-1,785 per month. However, as others have mentioned, the earnings test would significantly impact this if you're still working. With a $72,000 income, most or all of your survivor benefits could be withheld until you reach Full Retirement Age or reduce your work income. I'd suggest making an in-person appointment at your local SSA office. Bring your ID, your wife's death certificate, and marriage certificate. In-person appointments often yield better results than phone calls.
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Lena Müller
•Thank you for breaking this down. I think I need to seriously reconsider my strategy. If the earnings test is going to essentially eliminate the benefit at age 60, maybe waiting until closer to my FRA makes more sense. I'll definitely make that in-person appointment to get the official numbers.
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Javier Morales
my condolences for your loss. i found that when dealing with SS, emails work better than calls. they have to respond and theres a record of what they told you. try emailing them for the estimate instead of calling.
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Olivia Clark
•SSA doesn't have a public email system for benefit questions! They make you use their message center after creating an online account, and they still take FOREVER to respond. I waited 3 weeks for a reply to my question about survivors benefits.
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Lena Müller
Thanks everyone for your helpful responses. I've learned so much! I created my SSA account but couldn't find a way to see my wife's records there. I'm going to try calling again using the specific wording suggested here about requesting a "survivor benefit calculation." Based on everyone's input, I'm now rethinking my strategy. With the earnings test, it might make more sense to wait until closer to my FRA since I plan to continue working. I had no idea that making $72k would essentially wipe out most of the survivor benefit at age 60. I'm going to make an in-person appointment at my local office to get concrete numbers. If the phone waits are as bad as they've been in the past, I might try that Claimyr service someone mentioned. I'll update here once I get more information from SSA!
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TechNinja
•Sounds like a solid plan. Just be prepared that even in-person, you might need to be very specific about requesting a survivor benefit estimate. Sometimes bringing a notepad with your questions written down helps keep the conversation on track. Good luck!
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