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Update for everyone following this thread: The latest version of the WEP/GPO repeal bill now includes a 5-year phase-in period with priority given to beneficiaries over 65. The first year would provide 20% relief from GPO, increasing by 20% each year until full repeal in year 5. It also has a "hold harmless" provision ensuring no one would receive less than they do under current rules. The bill has 305 cosponsors in the House (well over the 290 needed to force a vote), so there's real momentum now.
I'm in a very similar situation as a retired teacher dealing with GPO! One thing I learned that might help you is to request a "benefit estimate" from SSA that shows what your ex-spouse benefit would be WITHOUT the GPO offset. They can calculate this for you even though you're currently affected by GPO. When I called, I specifically asked them to run the numbers both ways - with and without GPO - so I could see exactly what I'm missing. The representative was actually very helpful once I explained what I needed. This gave me a clear picture of what to expect if the repeal passes. Also, I'd recommend checking the SSA website for your ex-husband's earnings record if you have access to it. Since ex-spouse benefits are based on his Primary Insurance Amount (what he would get at full retirement age), you can get a rough estimate yourself. At 67, you'd be eligible for the full 50% without any early filing reductions on your part. The waiting is frustrating, but having concrete numbers helps with financial planning in the meantime!
Based on all the advice here, I'd suggest applying in August 2024 for your January 2025 start date. That gives you 5 months, which should be plenty of buffer for any processing delays. And don't forget to create your my Social Security account online before you apply if you haven't already - it makes the whole process much smoother.
One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned - make sure you have your most recent W-2 or tax return handy when you apply. SSA uses your earnings record to calculate your benefit amount, and sometimes there can be discrepancies that need to be resolved. I discovered when I applied that one of my employers from a few years back hadn't reported my earnings correctly, which delayed my application by about 3 weeks while they sorted it out. You can actually check your earnings record online through your my Social Security account before applying to make sure everything looks accurate. Better to catch any issues early rather than have them pop up during processing!
That's excellent advice about checking the earnings record first! I just logged into my account and found a similar issue - one employer from 2019 shows lower earnings than what I actually made. How long did it take SSA to fix the discrepancy once you brought it to their attention? I'm wondering if I should try to get this resolved before I even apply, or if it's something they can handle during the application process.
just wondering but what happens with medicare in this scenario? do u still sign up at 65 even if ur not taking ur own benefits yet? i get so confused with all these different rules!!
Great question! Medicare and Social Security benefits are separate decisions. You should still enroll in Medicare during your Initial Enrollment Period (3 months before your 65th birthday month through 3 months after) regardless of when you claim Social Security benefits. Missing your Medicare enrollment period can result in permanent premium penalties, even if you're still working and have employer coverage (unless your employer has 20+ employees).
I'm in a very similar situation - my spouse passed away 3 years ago and I'm approaching 65 while still working full-time. This thread has been incredibly helpful! One thing I want to add based on my research: make sure you understand the "deemed filing" rules. Before your full retirement age, SSA might automatically file you for both benefits even if you only want one. But once you reach your survivor FRA (which sounds like 66 years and 8 months for you), you can file a "restricted application" for survivor benefits only. I'd also recommend getting a written confirmation from SSA about your filing strategy before you submit anything. The stories about applications being processed incorrectly are really concerning. Has anyone here successfully gotten written confirmation of their restricted application strategy before filing?
i was just thinking... have you checked if you can get survivors benefits now? i thought there was something about benefits for widows taking care of kids or something
You're thinking of Mother's/Father's benefits, which are available to surviving spouses caring for the worker's child who is under 16 or disabled. Since the original poster mentioned her daughter was in high school when her husband died, and that was 3 years ago, her daughter is likely over 18 now and no longer eligible for benefits. The mother would therefore not qualify for Mother's benefits at this point.
I'm so sorry for your loss. As others have mentioned, your survivor benefit at 60 won't be the same as your daughter's was. Here's what might help with your planning: you can create a my Social Security account online and request a benefit estimate. While it won't show survivor benefits directly, you can call SSA with your husband's Social Security number and they can give you a projection of your potential survivor benefit amount at different claiming ages. One thing to keep in mind - if you're planning to work part-time after claiming at 60, make sure to factor in the earnings test. But here's something that might help: you can claim survivor benefits and still let your own retirement benefit grow with delayed retirement credits until age 70. If your own benefit would be higher by then, you could switch. This strategy gives you some income at 60 while potentially maximizing your long-term benefit. I'd recommend scheduling an appointment with SSA to run the actual numbers for your situation. They can show you exactly what to expect at different claiming ages and help you make the best decision for your financial future.
This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! I'm new to all of this and honestly feeling a bit overwhelmed trying to navigate the SSA system. The idea of being able to claim survivor benefits at 60 while letting my own retirement benefit grow until 70 sounds like it could be a good strategy, but I'll definitely need to see the actual numbers to know for sure. I appreciate the suggestion about calling with my husband's Social Security number - I didn't realize they could give projections that way. Has anyone had success getting accurate estimates this way, or do they sometimes give you the runaround?
Sofia Ramirez
One strategy some people use if they're close to another year of substantial earnings is to work part-time in Social Security covered employment to reach another year threshold. Each additional year between 20-30 reduces your WEP penalty by about 5%. If you're only 1-2 years away from 30 years, it might be worth considering working a bit longer to significantly reduce or eliminate the WEP impact.
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NebulaKnight
•That's something to consider. I'm retired from my state job, but I could potentially pick up some part-time work. Though at 20-22 qualifying years, I'd need quite a bit more work to completely eliminate WEP. I'll have to weigh if the part-time work is worth the benefit increase.
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Kyle Wallace
I went through this exact situation about 6 months ago! I also had around 22 years of SS-covered work plus a state pension. The harsh reality is that WEP will definitely apply regardless of when you claim - FRA doesn't protect you from it. Based on what others have shared here about the sliding scale, with 22 years you're probably looking at around a $300-400 reduction rather than the full $612 maximum. I'd strongly recommend getting your exact WEP calculation from SSA before making your final decision. Also, double-check that all 22 of your years actually meet the "substantial earnings" threshold - I discovered one of my early years didn't qualify, which changed my calculation. The good news is that even with WEP, you'll still get a significant benefit, just not the full amount you were initially expecting.
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