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Don't forget they have that stupid earnings test too if your working!!! If you claim benefits before FRA and earn over the limit (like $21k or something for 2025) they take back $1 for every $2 you earn above that amount. ROBBERY!!!
I went through this exact same situation last year! The key is being very specific about what you're asking for. Don't say you want to "apply" - instead ask for a "benefit estimate comparison" between your own retirement benefit and your potential divorced spouse benefit for planning purposes. When I called, I had to try three different representatives before I found one who understood what I needed. The third one was able to pull up both calculations and give me the monthly amounts at different claiming ages (62, FRA, and 70). This made all the difference in my planning. Also, make sure you have your ex-spouse's full name and Social Security number if you have it - this speeds up the process significantly. If you don't have their SSN, your marriage certificate with both names should be sufficient for them to locate the record. One more tip: if you get pushback, mention that you're trying to comply with the "deemed filing" rules and need to understand your options before making an irrevocable decision. This seems to get their attention and they take it more seriously.
Thank you everyone for all this helpful information! Based on your advice, it sounds like my stepchildren will qualify since they've been my stepchildren for 6 years, live with me, and I provide more than half their support. I'll make sure to bring our marriage certificate and their birth certificates when I apply for my retirement benefits next year. I'll also need to carefully consider the family maximum and how it might limit their benefit amounts. It sounds like between the two of them, they might receive somewhat less than 50% each of my PIA.And it's good to know their benefits can continue until they graduate high school. This will definitely help with our family finances while they're growing up.
Just wanted to add a few more details that might help with your planning! When you apply, SSA will want to see proof that you're providing more than half support for the stepchildren. This could include things like receipts for their clothing, food, medical expenses, school supplies, etc. Keep good records of what you spend on them. Also, if either stepchild has any income from things like part-time jobs or Social Security survivor benefits from their biological father, that could affect their eligibility or benefit amounts. Even though you mentioned their father isn't in the picture, it's worth checking if they have any existing Social Security entitlements. One last tip - when you file at your local SSA office, ask specifically about protective filing dates. If there are any delays in processing the stepchildren's applications, you want to make sure their benefits start from the earliest possible date. Good luck with your retirement!
To address your specific question about timing: Based on the current version of the legislation, there will likely be a phased implementation over several years, not an immediate full repeal. This means your mother's benefit increase may be gradual rather than jumping immediately to the full amount. If the bill follows the pattern of recent proposals, beneficiaries already on Social Security should see adjustments automatically applied according to the implementation schedule. SSA will likely send notices explaining the changes and timeline. I would recommend watching for official SSA guidance after the bill is signed, then calling to verify they have your mother's information correctly recorded in their system. This ensures she'll be included in any automatic adjustments.
One thing to keep in mind is that even with a phased implementation, there could be retroactive adjustments once your mom's case is processed. When I worked as a benefits counselor, I saw situations where SSA would calculate back payments to the effective date of policy changes, even if processing took months. I'd suggest creating a simple timeline document now - note when the bill gets signed, when you first contact SSA, and any communications you receive. This will be invaluable if there are any discrepancies later about when benefits should have started or been adjusted. Also, don't be surprised if the first SSA representative you speak with doesn't have complete information about the new procedures. Major policy changes like this often take time to filter down to all staff levels. You may need to be persistent and ask to speak with a supervisor if you're not getting clear answers.
To summarize for anyone else with similar questions: If you die before filing for your own benefits, your wife would receive 100% of your PIA if she claims at her FRA. If you file early and then die, she'd get the higher of what you were receiving or 82.5% of your PIA. If you delay until 70 and then pass away, she'd get your increased benefit with delayed retirement credits. Since you're planning to wait until 70 and she'll claim at her FRA, you're already following an optimal strategy for maximizing her potential survivor benefits.
This string of info is very helpful. If my wife claims SS when she is 62, I wait to claim then pass away, can she still get 100% of my PIA when she is FRA 67?
Yes, your scenario is actually one of the more flexible aspects of Social Security that I've learned about in my research. If your wife claims her own benefits early at 62 (which would be reduced), and then you pass away after waiting to claim your own benefits, she can still switch to 100% of your PIA when she reaches her full retirement age of 67. The key thing to understand is that claiming her own benefits early only permanently reduces those specific benefits. It doesn't affect what she can receive as survivor benefits later. This is one of those situations where the surviving spouse has options - she can take reduced benefits on her own record early, then switch to the higher survivor benefit at her FRA. This flexibility is actually helpful for financial planning, as it allows her to receive some income earlier while still preserving the right to your maximum survivor benefit later. I've found that these nuances in the Social Security rules aren't always clearly explained online, which is why I've been asking similar questions. I'd still recommend confirming this with the SSA for your specific situation, but this is definitely one of the planning strategies that can work well for couples with age differences like ours.
Yes, from what I've learned in my research, your wife would be able to get 100% of your PIA when she reaches her full retirement age of 67, even if she claimed her own reduced benefits at 62. Here's how it works: If she takes her own retirement benefit early at 62 (receiving a reduced amount), and you pass away without having claimed your benefits yet, she would have options. When she reaches her FRA at 67, she could switch to survivor benefits and receive 100% of your PIA. The early claiming reduction on her own benefits doesn't carry over to her survivor benefits. These are treated as two separate benefits, and she can switch to the higher amount when eligible. I've been trying to understand all these rules too since they're so important for our spouses' financial security. It's definitely worth confirming this specific scenario with Social Security directly, but this is my understanding of how it would work in your situation.
Zara Mirza
Update us on what happens! I'm curious how SSA handles these identity discrepancy cases. Good luck!
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Sean Flanagan
•I will definitely update. Going to try calling again tomorrow and hopefully schedule an in-person appointment like several of you suggested.
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CosmicCruiser
I'm really sorry you're going through this difficult situation. As someone who works in immigration law, I see identity discrepancy cases fairly regularly, and you're definitely not alone in this. A few additional points to consider: 1. **Timing**: There's generally no strict deadline for filing survivor benefits, but you can only receive retroactive payments for up to 6 months before your application date, so don't delay too long. 2. **Documentation strategy**: When you go in person, organize your documents chronologically - marriage certificate (1982), any documents showing his identity changes, divorce decree, death certificate. This helps the claims specialist follow the timeline. 3. **Earnings record**: The SSA will need to verify which Social Security number and identity was used for his work history. If he worked under the assumed identity for many years, that's likely the record they'll use for benefit calculations. 4. **Your protection**: Since you were legally married under the identity he used at that time, your marriage is valid regardless of his original name discrepancy. You had no way of knowing about the identity issue. Don't let anyone make you feel like you did something wrong. Focus on getting that in-person appointment - phone representatives often can't handle complex cases like this effectively. Bring a friend or family member for support if needed.
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