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Will WEP reduce my Social Security at Full Retirement Age or can I get full benefits?

I'm about to hit my Full Retirement Age (FRA) next month and planning to file for Social Security. I worked for 22 years in jobs covered by Social Security, but I also worked 15 years for a state government position where I didn't pay into SS but earned a pension instead. I'm getting conflicting information about the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP). Some people told me WEP doesn't apply once you reach FRA, others say it applies regardless of age. I'm expecting around $2,150/month from SS based on my earnings record, but I'm worried that WEP might reduce this by as much as $500. Does anyone know if applying at exactly FRA (not early) protects me from the WEP reduction? I need to make my decision in the next few weeks and want to be prepared for the actual amount I'll receive.

One strategy some people use if they're close to another year of substantial earnings is to work part-time in Social Security covered employment to reach another year threshold. Each additional year between 20-30 reduces your WEP penalty by about 5%. If you're only 1-2 years away from 30 years, it might be worth considering working a bit longer to significantly reduce or eliminate the WEP impact.

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That's something to consider. I'm retired from my state job, but I could potentially pick up some part-time work. Though at 20-22 qualifying years, I'd need quite a bit more work to completely eliminate WEP. I'll have to weigh if the part-time work is worth the benefit increase.

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I went through this exact situation about 6 months ago! I also had around 22 years of SS-covered work plus a state pension. The harsh reality is that WEP will definitely apply regardless of when you claim - FRA doesn't protect you from it. Based on what others have shared here about the sliding scale, with 22 years you're probably looking at around a $300-400 reduction rather than the full $612 maximum. I'd strongly recommend getting your exact WEP calculation from SSA before making your final decision. Also, double-check that all 22 of your years actually meet the "substantial earnings" threshold - I discovered one of my early years didn't qualify, which changed my calculation. The good news is that even with WEP, you'll still get a significant benefit, just not the full amount you were initially expecting.

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Starting Social Security at 64 - How early must I apply for January 2025 benefits?

I'm planning to start taking my Social Security retirement benefits on January 1, 2025. I'll be 64 years and 7 months at that point, so I know I'm taking them early before my FRA. What I can't figure out is how far in advance I need to submit my application to ensure my first payment arrives in January. The SSA website says something about applying 3-4 months before, but I've heard from friends it can take longer to process everything. I really need the benefits to start on time since I'm retiring from my job in December. Has anyone gone through this recently? What's the latest date I could apply and still get my January payment on schedule?

Based on all the advice here, I'd suggest applying in August 2024 for your January 2025 start date. That gives you 5 months, which should be plenty of buffer for any processing delays. And don't forget to create your my Social Security account online before you apply if you haven't already - it makes the whole process much smoother.

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Thanks! I already have my online account set up, so that's one step done. I think I'll aim for early August to submit everything. Really appreciate everyone's help with this!

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One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned - make sure you have your most recent W-2 or tax return handy when you apply. SSA uses your earnings record to calculate your benefit amount, and sometimes there can be discrepancies that need to be resolved. I discovered when I applied that one of my employers from a few years back hadn't reported my earnings correctly, which delayed my application by about 3 weeks while they sorted it out. You can actually check your earnings record online through your my Social Security account before applying to make sure everything looks accurate. Better to catch any issues early rather than have them pop up during processing!

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Can I collect Social Security survivor benefits at 65 while working and switch to my own benefit at 70?

My husband died unexpectedly from a heart attack 4 years ago. I'm turning 65 next month and trying to figure out my best option with Social Security. I understand that my full retirement age (FRA) for survivor benefits is a bit earlier than my regular FRA for my own retirement. I'm still working full-time at a law firm (don't plan to retire soon) and making about $85,000 annually. Would it make sense for me to apply for survivor benefits when I reach my survivor FRA, continue working, and then switch to my own retirement benefits at 70? Would the earnings limit affect survivor benefits if I'm at my survivor FRA? I've tried calling SSA three times but keep getting disconnected after waiting for hours. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated!

just wondering but what happens with medicare in this scenario? do u still sign up at 65 even if ur not taking ur own benefits yet? i get so confused with all these different rules!!

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Great question! Medicare and Social Security benefits are separate decisions. You should still enroll in Medicare during your Initial Enrollment Period (3 months before your 65th birthday month through 3 months after) regardless of when you claim Social Security benefits. Missing your Medicare enrollment period can result in permanent premium penalties, even if you're still working and have employer coverage (unless your employer has 20+ employees).

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I'm in a very similar situation - my spouse passed away 3 years ago and I'm approaching 65 while still working full-time. This thread has been incredibly helpful! One thing I want to add based on my research: make sure you understand the "deemed filing" rules. Before your full retirement age, SSA might automatically file you for both benefits even if you only want one. But once you reach your survivor FRA (which sounds like 66 years and 8 months for you), you can file a "restricted application" for survivor benefits only. I'd also recommend getting a written confirmation from SSA about your filing strategy before you submit anything. The stories about applications being processed incorrectly are really concerning. Has anyone here successfully gotten written confirmation of their restricted application strategy before filing?

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Can I get the same survivor benefits at 60 that my child received from my late husband's Social Security?

I lost my husband 3 years ago after 23 years of marriage. Our daughter qualified for survivor benefits because she was still in high school when he passed. Now I'm trying to plan for my own future - I'm 54 and honestly, I'd like to retire as early as possible at 60 if I can make the numbers work. I'm trying to figure out if my survivor benefit at 60 would be roughly the same amount as what my daughter was receiving? I've searched the SSA website but can't find a clear answer about this comparison. My planning is completely stuck until I understand what kind of survivor benefit I might qualify for. Has anyone been in a similar situation or know how child survivor benefits compare to widow benefits taken early at age 60? Any insights would be so appreciated!

i was just thinking... have you checked if you can get survivors benefits now? i thought there was something about benefits for widows taking care of kids or something

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You're thinking of Mother's/Father's benefits, which are available to surviving spouses caring for the worker's child who is under 16 or disabled. Since the original poster mentioned her daughter was in high school when her husband died, and that was 3 years ago, her daughter is likely over 18 now and no longer eligible for benefits. The mother would therefore not qualify for Mother's benefits at this point.

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I'm so sorry for your loss. As others have mentioned, your survivor benefit at 60 won't be the same as your daughter's was. Here's what might help with your planning: you can create a my Social Security account online and request a benefit estimate. While it won't show survivor benefits directly, you can call SSA with your husband's Social Security number and they can give you a projection of your potential survivor benefit amount at different claiming ages. One thing to keep in mind - if you're planning to work part-time after claiming at 60, make sure to factor in the earnings test. But here's something that might help: you can claim survivor benefits and still let your own retirement benefit grow with delayed retirement credits until age 70. If your own benefit would be higher by then, you could switch. This strategy gives you some income at 60 while potentially maximizing your long-term benefit. I'd recommend scheduling an appointment with SSA to run the actual numbers for your situation. They can show you exactly what to expect at different claiming ages and help you make the best decision for your financial future.

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Will my wife get my higher Social Security benefits if I die from cancer while on SSDI?

Just found out I have stage 3 lymphoma last month (April 2025) and I'm trying to figure out our Social Security situation. My wife took early retirement at 64 and is getting about $1,875/month in reduced benefits. I'm 63 and still working full-time at my construction management job, but the chemo is hitting me hard and I'm losing weight and strength fast. Can barely make it through the day anymore. If I have to quit and go on disability, what happens to my wife when I pass away? My benefit would be around $3,200 if I took it now (or disability), which is way more than what she gets. Does she automatically get my higher amount? Does she have to apply for it? Does it matter if I'm on disability versus retirement when I die? The cancer treatment is draining our savings and I'm trying to make sure she'll be okay financially if things don't go well. Any advice appreciated.

One last thing about the SSDI application - make sure your doctor includes detailed notes about your physical limitations and how the cancer and treatment affect your ability to work. Mention specific job requirements you can no longer meet (standing/walking requirements, lifting restrictions, cognitive issues from chemo, etc). This strengthens your case tremendously. Wishing you the best with your treatment and hoping for a full recovery.

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Thank you so much for this advice and the kind words. I've scheduled a talk with my oncologist about the SSDI application tomorrow. This community has been incredibly helpful.

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I'm really sorry to hear about your diagnosis. As someone who went through the SSDI process with my late husband, I wanted to add that you should also gather all your medical records now while you have the energy. The SSA will request them anyway, but having copies ready speeds things up. Also, don't be discouraged if your initial application gets denied - that's unfortunately common even with serious conditions like cancer. If that happens, request a hearing immediately. The approval rates are much higher at the hearing level. Your wife is smart to think ahead about this. The survivor benefits will definitely help her financially when the time comes. Take care of yourself and focus on your treatment.

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