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Don't wait!!! My sister-in-law was in your EXACT situation (teacher for 29 years, GPO affected) and she listened when they told her to "just wait" - BIG MISTAKE! She ended up waiting THREE EXTRA MONTHS for her first payment because of the direct deposit issue! Go to your local office IN PERSON with your ID, a voided check, and your case number. Insist they document in your file that you provided direct deposit info. The website is RIGHT and the phone rep was WRONG. With this GPO repeal affecting so many people, SSA is overwhelmed and giving out incorrect information.

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Oh no, that's exactly what I'm afraid of! I definitely don't want to wait months for a payment when I could be proactive now. Thank you for sharing your sister-in-law's experience - I'll make an appointment at my local office right away. Did she ever get retroactive payments for the months she should have been receiving benefits?

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I know this isn't exactly what you asked, but make sure you understand how the GPO repeal implementation timeline works. SSA announced they'll process cases in phases, with the first payments expected to go out in late January 2025. Those who already applied (like you) are in the first group. But they also said benefits won't be retroactive to the repeal date - they'll start when SSA processes your case. So getting your direct deposit set up is definitely important to avoid further delays once they get to your case!

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Thank you for mentioning the timeline - that's really helpful context! January 2025 isn't too far away, so I definitely want to make sure everything is in order. I appreciate everyone's helpful advice on this thread. I'm going to call tomorrow using the specific wording suggested and also try to make an in-person appointment as backup.

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My wife signed up for SSDI last year and her first check was late too. But SSI gets paid on different days than retirement doesnt it? So confused about all these different programs and payment schedules!

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You're right about the confusion - there are different payment schedules: - SSI (Supplemental Security Income) payments always come on the 1st of the month - Social Security retirement, survivors, and SSDI (Disability) follow the birthday schedule (2nd, 3rd, or 4th Wednesday) - If you get both SSI and Social Security, SSI comes on the 1st and the other payment on the 3rd The person who started this thread is asking about retirement benefits, which follow the Wednesday schedule based on birth date.

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Thanks everyone for the helpful information! I feel much better now understanding that his January 2025 benefit will arrive in February, specifically on the third Wednesday since his birthday is on the 17th. We'll make sure to budget accordingly and not expect anything in January. I'll have him check his my SSA account regularly to track any updates too.

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Confused about SS benefit sequencing with WEP/GPO - can I still take spousal now & switch to mine at 70?

I'm approaching my FRA (67 years 2 months) soon and feeling totally confused about my Social Security options. From discussions in other forums, I've seen several people mention a strategy of claiming the lower benefit (either personal or spousal) initially, then switching to the higher benefit at age 70 to maximize lifetime payments. After waiting nearly 3 hours on hold Monday, I finally spoke with someone at SSA to ask about this approach. She couldn't give me a clear answer but promised someone from my local office would call. Sure enough, they called today (missed it of course!), but when I called back I only waited about 15 minutes. Here's where I'm confused - the rep told me this strategy is impossible. She claimed when I file for any benefit, they automatically evaluate both spousal and personal benefits and just give me whichever is higher. She said I'm "deemed" as filing for both and can't let one grow while collecting the other. This is particularly frustrating because I'm affected by both WEP and GPO (from a government pension), which significantly reduces my benefits. I was hoping to collect maybe $500-600 in spousal benefits now while letting my own grow until 70. The rep seemed rushed to end our call because of their call volume, so I'm questioning her information. How are others managing to implement this strategy? Is she giving me accurate information? When I mentioned learning about this option from online groups, she dismissively said to "never trust social media, only trust SSA." Yet they rush me off the phone after making me wait hours! I'm really confused about how to maximize my benefits with these WEP/GPO complications.

To give you some concrete numbers about WEP, with 23 years of substantial earnings, your WEP reduction won't be the full amount. The maximum WEP reduction for someone reaching 62 in 2025 is about $613 per month, but with 23 years of substantial earnings, your reduction would be significantly less - about 70% of that maximum. Delaying until 70 still increases your WEP-reduced benefit by 8% per year beyond FRA. Since GPO is likely eliminating most or all of your spousal benefit anyway, focusing on maximizing your own benefit might be your best strategy. Consider requesting a detailed benefit calculation from SSA that shows your WEP-adjusted amounts at different claiming ages. This will give you the specific numbers to make your decision.

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Thank you for these specific numbers! This is exactly what I needed. I had no idea the WEP reduction would be less with 23 years of substantial earnings. I'm going to request that detailed calculation as you suggested. This makes me feel much better about my options.

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i think everybody born after 1954 got screwed by that law change!! my brother in law was born in december 1953 and got to do the restricted thing but my sister missed it by 3 months. not fair!!

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EXACTLY!!! The whole system is rigged against us. My cousin got to do this because she was born in 1952 and saved like $40,000 by using that strategy. Then they pull the rug out from under the rest of us. And now we're stuck with all these complicated WEP/GPO penalties too!!!

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i went thru this with my mother last year!!! the SSA people told her she wasnt eligible but that was WRONG!! we had to talk to a supervisor to get it fixed. they kept saying she remarried but she NEVER did. if they give u trouble, ask for supervisor right away dont take no for answer.

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This happens more than people realize. The front-line representatives sometimes make errors on more complex cases like divorced survivor benefits. Always escalate if something doesn't seem right. And get the name of everyone you speak with, along with dates and times of conversations.

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One more thing to consider - if your mother is receiving any SSI (Supplemental Security Income) or other means-tested benefits in addition to her Social Security retirement, the increased income from survivor benefits could affect her eligibility for those programs. It's almost certainly still worth applying for the higher survivor benefit, but be aware there might be effects on other benefits she receives.

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She's not on SSI, just regular Social Security retirement, so hopefully that won't be an issue. She does get a small pension from a factory where she worked for about 15 years, but I don't think that will be affected.

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Just to add some technical detail here that might be helpful: The earnings test that limits benefits only applies in these situations: 1. If you're collecting benefits before your FRA, the annual earnings limit applies ($22,320 in 2024). 2. In the year you reach FRA, a higher limit applies only to earnings in the months BEFORE the month you reach FRA ($59,520 in 2024). 3. Once you reach FRA, there is NO earnings limit, period. Since you reached FRA in April 2024, and won't start benefits until February 2025, the earnings test doesn't affect you at all. The SSA collects this information from everyone because their forms are standardized and the same information is relevant to many other beneficiaries. Also, continuing to work might actually increase your benefit amount if these earnings are higher than some earlier years used in your benefit calculation.

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Thank you for breaking it down so clearly! This confirms my understanding. I'll probably end up working about 20 hours a week next year, mainly to stay active, but it's nice to know I don't have to worry about how it affects my SS benefits.

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Thanks everyone for your helpful responses! I'm going to finish my application now with a lot more confidence. It sounds like this is just standard procedure and nothing to worry about since I'll be well past my FRA when I start collecting in February. Really appreciate all the explanations!

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Glad we could help! Good luck with your application and retirement!

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