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I'm in a bit of a dilemma with my Social Security benefits. I'm currently at my Full Retirement Age (66 and 6 months) but only worked 32 years in jobs that paid into Social Security. I've spent most of my career with the state government and will receive a pension from them. Now that I'm at FRA, I'm considering getting a private sector job for the next 3 years until I turn 70. I've been told my SS benefits might be affected by the Windfall Elimination Provision because of my state pension. Here's my question: Should I start collecting Social Security now at my FRA while I work these additional 3 years, or would it be financially better to wait until I'm 70 to apply for SS? Will working these extra years significantly increase my benefit amount even with the WEP reduction? Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
I'm in a bit of a calculation nightmare trying to figure out what my wife will receive when she hits full retirement age next year. I started taking my Social Security at 62 (probably not the smartest move in retrospect), and I was the higher earner throughout our careers. My wife turns 67 in 2025, which is her FRA according to SSA. I've been trying to understand how they calculate her spousal benefit - is it actually 50% of what my PIA would have been if I hadn't taken early retirement? Or is it 50% of what I'm actually receiving now? And then how does that compare to her own benefit? My PIA (according to my SSA statement) would have been about $2,850 if I had waited until my FRA, but I'm only getting about $2,140 now because I started at 62. My wife's estimated benefit on her own record is around $1,200 at her FRA. So would she get $1,425 (50% of my PIA) or $1,070 (50% of my current benefit)? And if her own benefit is $1,200, does she just get the higher of the two, or does she get her own $1,200 PLUS some kind of top-up difference? The SSA website explanations are making my head spin!
All this is so confusing my head hurts tryin to figure out all these rules... no wonder people hire those retirement planners. My neighbor said she paid $3000 for someone to figure all this out for her!!!
I just went through this exact situation with my mom last year! The key thing everyone's saying is correct - the spousal benefit is based on YOUR full PIA ($2,850), not what you're actually receiving. So she'd get her own $1,200 plus a $225 spousal "top-up" for $1,425 total. One thing I'd add is to definitely apply online if possible - it's much faster than trying to call. And make sure when she applies that she specifically mentions she's married and wants to be considered for spousal benefits too. The system should automatically calculate it, but it's better to be explicit. Also, don't stress too much about the timing - as long as she applies within a few months of her FRA, any back payments will be calculated correctly. The hardest part is just understanding how it all works, which sounds like you've got figured out now!
Just wanted to share a win with this group that might help others in my situation. I'm 63 and started my own SS retirement benefits about 6 months ago. My ex-husband (we were married 22 years but remained close after divorce) passed away unexpectedly in February. I initially thought I'd have to wait until my full retirement age (66 years, 8 months) to claim survivor benefits without penalties. But then I remembered reading about some exceptions here.I scheduled an appointment at my local SSA office and mentioned the RIB/LIM rule. The agent wasn't familiar with it at first (had to consult with a supervisor), but it turns out I CAN switch to the higher survivor benefit NOW without any reduction penalty! Because I had already claimed my own retirement benefit first, the RIB/LIM rule applies in my case.This means I'll receive almost $1,250 more per month starting immediately rather than waiting 3+ years. That's over $45,000 I would have left on the table if I hadn't learned about this from you all.So grateful for the knowledge shared in this group. The Social Security rules are so complex, and even some SSA agents aren't familiar with all the exceptions. Has anyone else had success with the RIB/LIM rule or other lesser-known provisions?
I don't think I can pay back everything! Ugh, I should have researched more before filing. I just assumed taking it at 62 was best because I needed the money then. Nobody told me about all these exceptions and special rules!
This is such valuable information! As someone new to navigating Social Security, I had no idea about the RIB/LIM rule. It's incredible that you were able to increase your monthly benefit by $1,250 just by knowing to ask about this specific provision. I'm wondering - for those of us who might face similar situations in the future, are there any resources you'd recommend for learning about these lesser-known rules? It sounds like even the SSA agents aren't always familiar with them, so it seems like we need to educate ourselves to be effective advocates. Also, congratulations on your successful claim! It must be such a relief to have that financial security, especially during what I'm sure is already a difficult time dealing with your loss.
I'm currently collecting my late wife's Social Security benefits since they're higher than what I'd get on my own record. I've been a widower for 5 years and finally found someone I care about. She's divorced and receives benefits based on her ex-husband's record (they were married 12 years). We're both over full retirement age (I'm 68, she's 67). I'm worried about the financial implications if we get married. Would either of us lose our current benefits? Would we be forced to switch to our own (lower) benefit amounts? I tried calling the SSA three different times but keep getting disconnected after waiting for hours. Any help from folks who've been through this would be greatly appreciated.
I went through something very similar about 3 years ago. I'm a widow who was receiving survivor benefits, and I met someone who was also collecting on his ex-wife's record. We spent months agonizing over this decision because we'd both take significant financial hits. What we ended up doing was sitting down with a financial advisor who specializes in Social Security planning. They helped us calculate not just the benefit changes, but also the tax implications, healthcare costs, and other financial factors that come with marriage. In our case, the combined household income after marriage (even with lower SS benefits) plus shared living expenses actually worked out better financially than we initially thought. We also looked into whether either of us qualified for any spousal benefits on each other's records that might offset some of the losses. The calculations are complex, but it's worth exploring all angles before making your decision. The emotional toll of having to choose between love and money is real though. Whatever you decide, make sure you're both fully informed about the financial consequences first. Good luck!
I'm facing a similar situation and this thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm a 65-year-old widow receiving survivor benefits, and I've been seeing someone for two years who gets benefits on his ex-wife's record. We've been putting off marriage discussions because of the financial concerns. Reading everyone's experiences, it sounds like I might be able to keep my survivor benefits since I'm over 60, but my partner would definitely lose his ex-spouse benefits. The suggestion about consulting with a Social Security specialist is something I hadn't considered - it makes sense to look at the complete financial picture, not just the benefit changes. Has anyone here actually called SSA recently to get definitive answers? I've been hesitant to call because of the horror stories about wait times, but maybe I need to bite the bullet and get official guidance for our specific situation.
You should definitely call SSA to get official guidance! I know the wait times are brutal, but for something this important affecting your financial future, it's worth it. If you haven't seen it yet, someone mentioned earlier in this thread that there's a service called Claimyr that can help you get through to SSA faster - they basically hold your place in line and call you when an agent is available. From what I've gathered reading through all these responses, it sounds like you're right that you could likely keep your survivor benefits as a widow over 60, but your partner would lose his ex-spouse benefits upon marriage. However, every situation is different and SSA can look at your specific earnings records to give you exact figures. You might also want to consider consulting with a Social Security specialist like others have mentioned - they can help you see the bigger financial picture beyond just the benefit changes.
I've decided to take my SS retirement at 63 (I know it's reduced) but I still need to work part-time. I'm confused about the earnings limit - does the Social Security Administration look at my gross income before taxes or my net income after taxes when figuring out if I've gone over the limit? My boss is offering me more hours but I don't want to accidentally go over and have benefits withheld. Also, does money from a rental property count toward this limit? Thanks for any help explaining this!
One thing to keep in mind is that the earnings limit applies to the year you're under Full Retirement Age, not just when you start collecting benefits. So if you turn 63 in the middle of 2025, the full year's earnings count toward that $22,750 limit. Also, if you do go over, SSA typically sends you a letter asking you to estimate your expected earnings for the year so they can adjust your monthly payments accordingly rather than creating a big overpayment situation. It's much better to be proactive about this!
Just want to add another important detail - if you're self-employed or have 1099 income, the earnings limit applies to your NET self-employment income (after business expenses), not gross like it is for W-2 wages. So if you do any freelance or consulting work alongside your part-time job, make sure you're calculating that portion correctly! I made this mistake my first year and had to scramble to figure out my actual countable earnings.
@NeonNova Yes, it can definitely get confusing! The SSA has Publication No. 05-10069 "How Work Affects Your Benefits" that breaks down the different types of income and how they count. For mixed income situations, I found it helpful to keep a simple spreadsheet with separate columns for W-2 gross wages and net self-employment income, then add them together for your total countable earnings. The key is making sure you're using the right calculation method for each income type - don't mix them up like I did! You can also use Schedule SE from your tax return to help calculate your net self-employment earnings.
@NeonNova Yes, it can definitely get complicated! The SSA has Publication 05-10069 "How Work Affects Your Benefits" that breaks down the different types of income, but honestly it's pretty dense. I found that keeping a simple spreadsheet helped - one column for W-2 gross wages and another for net self-employment income after Schedule C deductions. The key is that for 1099/self-employment, you use the same net earnings that get subject to self-employment tax on your tax return. If you're really unsure, it might be worth paying for a consultation with a tax professional who deals with Social Security issues, especially if you're close to the earnings limit.
Evan Kalinowski
Since you mentioned you're in good health and longevity runs in your family, have you considered the tax implications of your decision? If you claim now while working, more of your SS benefits might be taxable. If you wait until 70, you'll have a higher benefit, but potentially more of it subject to taxation depending on your other income sources in retirement.
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Dominic Green
AuthorThat's another aspect I hadn't fully considered. I'll need to look at our overall tax situation in retirement. We'll have my husband's SS, my state pension, some 401k withdrawals, and then eventually my Social Security. I should probably consult with a tax professional to model different scenarios. Thanks for bringing this up!
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Reina Salazar
I've been following this discussion and wanted to add my perspective as someone who went through a similar decision process. The key factors that helped me decide were: 1) Getting the actual WEP calculation from SSA (not estimates), 2) Understanding that the 8% delayed retirement credits apply AFTER the WEP reduction, making them even more valuable, and 3) Realizing that working those extra years could potentially move me up the WEP reduction scale. Given your excellent health and family longevity, plus the fact that you're planning to work anyway, waiting until 70 seems like the mathematically sound choice. The break-even analysis becomes even more favorable when you factor in the potential WEP reduction from additional substantial earnings years. Just make sure to get those exact calculations from SSA before making your final decision!
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