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I'm in a complicated situation and getting different answers from everyone I talk to. I filed for SSDI back in January 2024 due to severe rheumatoid arthritis and degenerative disc disease. My claim is still pending (15 months later!) and I was struggling financially, so I applied for early retirement at 62 in November 2024. I've been receiving about $1,920 per month in retirement benefits since December. Now I'm worried about what happens if my disability claim gets approved. Will SSA make me pay back all those retirement benefits I've been collecting? My neighbor said they'll just adjust the backpay, but the lady at my local office said something about me having to repay everything. I'm already living paycheck to paycheck and couldn't afford to pay back thousands! Does anyone have experience with this situation? What actually happens if you're getting early retirement and then get approved for disability?
I recently lost my husband (passed in November 2024) and I'm trying to understand my survivor benefits. I planned to take survivor benefits until I reach 70 in a few years, then switch to my own retirement. My initial call with SSA made me think I'd get around $2600/month (supposedly the full amount he would've received at his FRA). However, when I finally had my appointment weeks later, the rep said I'll only get 82% of that amount. She explained this reduction is because my husband claimed his benefits 3 years early (at 62 instead of his FRA of 65 back in 2001) AND because we had a child who received benefits (about $200/month for 5 years) on his record. The frustrating part is the SSA rep couldn't explain exactly how they calculated the 82%. She just kept saying "that's what the system shows." I thought survivor benefits weren't reduced due to the deceased spouse claiming early? Does this 82% reduction actually make sense? Is it worth filing an appeal just to get a clear explanation of the calculation? I feel like I'm entitled to understand exactly how they arrived at my benefit amount.
The SSA is ALWAYS trying to short-change us!! My friend was told she'd get one amount then ended up with hundreds less per month. She fought it for months and finally got what she deserved. DONT give up!!
While I understand your frustration, it's important to note that in most cases, these aren't errors but rather the result of complex rules that even many SSA employees struggle to explain properly. The RIB-LIM rule is particularly complicated and often misunderstood. That said, it's always good to verify that calculations are correct by requesting detailed explanations from SSA.
I'm sorry for your loss, Gael. What you're experiencing is unfortunately common with the RIB-LIM rule that others have mentioned. I went through something similar when my mother passed - the initial estimate was much higher than what I actually received due to these complex calculations. One thing I'd recommend is requesting your husband's complete earnings record (Form SSA-7050-F4) along with that technical explanation others mentioned. This will help you verify that they're using the correct earnings history in their calculations. Sometimes there are errors in the earnings record that can affect benefit amounts. Also, if you do decide to request the detailed calculation, be prepared that it might take several weeks to receive it. The SSA doesn't generate these explanations routinely, so they have to create them specially upon request. But it's worth having for your records, especially since you're planning to switch to your own benefits at 70. The good news is that your survivor benefit strategy still makes sense - you're essentially getting paid to delay your own retirement benefits until they max out at 70, even if the survivor amount is less than you initially expected.
I'm struggling with figuring out the best time to claim my Social Security benefits. I'm currently 64.5 years old, and my husband just turned 67 (he's at his FRA). Neither of us has filed for benefits yet. My husband is planning to continue working well into his 70s - his job isn't physically demanding, he's still passionate about running his company, and he's in good health mentally and physically. My husband will qualify for the maximum SS payout when he eventually files. My benefit will be significantly lower, so I'm planning to eventually take advantage of the spousal benefit. I've been looking at two scenarios for myself: 1. File NOW at 64.5: My monthly benefit would be approximately $2,200 (about $300 less than my FRA amount) 2. Wait until MY FRA (which happens around when my husband turns 70): I'd get about $2,500 monthly Here's what I don't understand - if I file early and take the reduced amount now, will that reduction ALSO affect how much I can get from the spousal benefit later? In other words, if I take the $2,200 now instead of waiting for $2,500, would I also get a permanently reduced spousal benefit when my husband files? Or would the spousal benefit calculation be separate? I feel like I'm missing something important about how this works. Any advice would be appreciated!
One more important point: You mentioned your husband plans to work into his 70s, which is great. Just be aware that once he files for benefits (even at 70), if you then apply for spousal benefits, your income will be subject to the earnings test if you're still working and under your FRA. In 2025, you can earn up to $22,300 without affecting benefits, but above that, $1 in benefits is withheld for every $2 you earn above the limit. This doesn't apply once you reach your FRA. Also, don't forget to consider the taxation of Social Security benefits. If your combined income (adjusted gross income + nontaxable interest + half of Social Security benefits) exceeds certain thresholds, up to 85% of your benefits could be taxable. This might affect the calculations of when to file.
Great point about the earnings test. That's something many people overlook when planning their filing strategy. Worth noting that any benefits withheld due to the earnings test are eventually given back through a recalculation after FRA, but the month-to-month cash flow impact can be significant if someone is still working with substantial earnings.
I'm facing a similar decision at 63 and this thread has been incredibly helpful! One thing I'd add is that you might want to consider getting a personalized benefit statement from SSA that shows your projected benefits at different claiming ages. You can create an account at ssa.gov/myaccount and run the numbers yourself. Also, since you mentioned your husband will get the maximum benefit, that suggests his PIA will be around $4,000-$4,400 (the 2025 maximum). So your spousal benefit at YOUR FRA would be roughly $2,000-$2,200 (50% of his PIA). If your own benefit at FRA is $2,500, you'd stick with your own benefit since it's higher than the spousal amount. But here's the key point others have made: if you file early now, you'd get $2,200 permanently, AND if you later became eligible for spousal benefits, those would ALSO be reduced because you filed early. So you could end up with less than $2,200 total even when he files. Given that your husband is healthy and plans to work into his 70s, waiting until your FRA seems like the clear winner financially. Those extra few hundred dollars per month really add up over 20+ years of retirement!
Hi there! This is a great question and a common situation many families face. Yes, your son can potentially receive both DAC benefits and partial SSI to make up the difference - this is called "concurrent benefits." Here's how it typically works: SSA will pay the higher of the two benefits first (in your case, the DAC), and then SSI can supplement up to the federal benefit rate if your son meets all SSI eligibility requirements. Since his DAC will be about $60 less than the full SSI amount, he should be eligible for that $60 difference in SSI. The good news is that since your son already receives Medicaid through a waiver, he likely meets the disability requirements for SSI. During your Monday appointment, make sure to ask specifically about: - Concurrent benefits eligibility - How the SSI supplement calculation works - Whether his current Medicaid waiver will transition smoothly - Any required documentation for the SSI application Having that waiver already in place should help streamline the process. Good luck with your appointment on Monday!
Just mapped out my retirement timeline and need a reality check. My full retirement age (FRA) is in February 2025, and I've decided to wait until then to start collecting Social Security. From what I understand, if I time my application right, I should receive my first SS payment in March 2025. But I'm confused about exactly WHEN I should submit my application to make sure this happens smoothly. Too early? Too late? Is there an optimal window to apply so everything processes correctly? I don't want to mess this up and delay my payments because of some paperwork timing issue. Has anyone gone through this recently? Thanks for any insights!
One last tip - when you actually apply online, have these documents ready: - Your birth certificate (or passport) - Your most recent W-2 or tax return - Marriage certificate if you've been married - Divorce decree if applicable - Military discharge papers if you served Having everything prepared makes the online application process much smoother. The system also lets you save and come back if you need to gather more information.
Just wanted to add one more thing that caught me off guard - make sure to create your my Social Security account online BEFORE you apply if you don't already have one! It takes a few days to verify your identity and get full access. Having the account set up ahead of time lets you track your application status and access all your Social Security documents in one place. I wish I had known this earlier in my planning process. The account creation is at ssa.gov/myaccount and you'll need it anyway for managing your benefits once they start.
Alejandro Castro
my neighbor said u have to PAY EVERYTHING BACK if u get approved for disability but he also thinks the moon landing was fake so idk if hes right lol
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Teresa Boyd
Your neighbor is definitely not correct about this. SSA handles the adjustment internally by reducing your disability backpay by the amount of retirement benefits already received. There is no scenario where you'd have to pay back your legitimate retirement benefits in this situation.
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Teresa Boyd
Just to follow up on my earlier comment - there's one more benefit to getting approved for SSDI after taking early retirement that people haven't mentioned. You'll become eligible for Medicare 24 months after your SSDI entitlement date, regardless of your age. So you'll get Medicare before 65, which can be a huge help with medical expenses. Also, if your disability has worsened since you initially applied, make sure your medical records reflect this. The more documentation you have about your limitations, the stronger your case will be. Have you had a lawyer helping with your disability claim?
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Landon Morgan
AuthorI completely forgot about the Medicare eligibility! That would be fantastic since my insurance costs are killing me right now. I do have a disability attorney helping me. They've been good about submitting all my medical records, but honestly communication has been spotty. They basically just tell me to wait whenever I check in. Is there anything specific I should be asking them to do at this point?
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Carmen Lopez
At 15 months in, you should ask your attorney about requesting a status update from DDS (Disability Determination Services) and whether it's time to consider if your case might be headed to reconsideration. Also ask them to review your file to make sure all recent medical records are included - sometimes new treatment records can strengthen your case. Don't be afraid to be more assertive about communication - you have every right to know what's happening with your claim after waiting this long!
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