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I'm trying to make sense of the recent WEP reform for my retirement planning. My situation is somewhat unique - I taught at a religious school for 7 years (paid into Social Security), then worked in corporate for 28 years (also SS), and finally spent 6 years teaching in public schools (paying into state pension). I now receive both Social Security and a small teacher's pension (about $780/month from the state system). With the new WEP legislation changes, I'm confused about how my private school teaching years are treated since I paid into SS during that time. Are those 7 years counted differently than my corporate years under the new formula? Does anyone understand if the new proportional formula helps people with mixed careers like mine? Really appreciate any insights!
I'm about to receive my first Social Security retirement payment next week (yay!), but I'm confused about applying for spousal benefits. My husband is 3 months younger than me, and he'll get his first SS payment in 3 months. Our Full Retirement Ages fall in different months - mine is in October and his is in January. I know there's some coordination involved with spousal benefits, but I'm not sure when the right time is to apply for the spousal portion. Do I need to wait until after he starts receiving his benefits? Or should I make an appointment now to get everything in order? And speaking of appointments - do I need to physically go to an SSA office for spousal benefits, or can this all be handled over the phone? The nearest office is almost an hour drive each way, so I'd prefer to avoid that if possible. Thanks for any guidance!
Thank you everyone for all the helpful information! I feel much clearer on what to do now. I'll wait until after my husband receives his first payment in 3 months, then call SSA to make sure my spousal benefits are being processed correctly. I'll have our marriage certificate ready just in case they need it. The deemed filing information was particularly helpful - I didn't realize that would automatically tie everything together.
Just wanted to add one more tip that helped me when I went through this process - keep detailed records of every phone call you make to SSA, including the date, time, and the name of the representative you spoke with (if they give it). Also write down any reference numbers they provide. I had to call back twice because of conflicting information from different reps, and having those details helped me get everything sorted out more quickly. The system can be frustrating, but most of the SSA staff really do want to help once you get through to them. Good luck with everything, and congratulations again on starting your retirement benefits!
I'm planning to claim my Social Security retirement at 62 next month. My estimated benefit will be about $1,500/month, but I still want to work part-time at my brother's landscaping business to stay active. I'm confused about the earnings limit - how much can I make each month without losing benefits? My neighbor said something about $1,800/month but then someone else mentioned a yearly amount. Does it count if I'm paid in cash? Will they take my whole check away if I go over? Really need to understand this before I submit my application!
my cousin did somthing smart, he worked jan-oct full time then retired in nov and got 2 SS checks that yr becuz he didnt go over monthly limit for those 2 months even tho the yearly total was over
Your cousin used the first-year retirement rule correctly! In the calendar year you first retire, SSA will use a monthly test rather than annual if it benefits you. You get a full benefit for any month you earn under the monthly limit ($1,860 in 2025) AND don't perform substantial services in self-employment. This special rule only applies for that first calendar year of retirement.
Just wanted to add something important about working for your brother's landscaping business - make sure you're clear on whether you'll be classified as an employee or independent contractor. If you're doing regular landscaping work and he controls when/how you work, you're likely an employee even if it's family. This affects how your earnings count toward the limit and how taxes are handled. Also, since landscaping can be seasonal, you might want to plan your work schedule around the earnings limit - maybe work more hours in months when you're under the limit rather than spreading it evenly throughout the year.
I'm trying to plan ahead for our family's Social Security situation and need some help understanding how everything works. My husband passed away 3 years ago, and my stepchild (his biological child) is receiving DAC (Disabled Adult Child) benefits based on my deceased husband's work record. I'm currently 63, so about 4 years away from my full retirement age. Here's what I'm confused about: When I eventually file for my own retirement benefits, will my stepchild's DAC benefits somehow switch over to be based on MY work record instead of continuing from their father's? I've heard conflicting things from friends and family, and I can't seem to get a straight answer when I call the SSA (if I can even get through). My work history is solid but my earnings were lower than my husband's, so I'm worried this could reduce my stepchild's monthly payment if there's some kind of automatic switch. Any insights from people who've dealt with this situation would be really appreciated.
When I claimed my SS at 66, my disabled son's benefits stayed exactly the same. They're completely separate. But I got really confused because there's DAC benefits and then there's also SSI which has different rules entirely and I kept mixing them up when talking to the representatives. Make sure you're clear about which benefit type your stepchild receives when you speak with them. The terminology gets so confusing sometimes!
I went through this exact situation two years ago when I filed for my retirement benefits at 66. My stepson receives DAC benefits from his deceased father's record, and I was terrified that my filing would somehow mess up his payments. I called SSA multiple times and got different answers each time, which made me even more anxious. The good news is that absolutely nothing changed with his DAC benefits when I claimed my own retirement. His monthly payment stayed exactly the same and continued to be based on his father's earnings record. The SSA representative who finally gave me the correct information explained that DAC benefits are "locked in" to the original parent's record and won't switch or be affected by a stepparent's retirement filing. One tip: when you do call SSA, be very specific that you're asking about DAC survivor benefits, not regular disability benefits. I found that being precise with the terminology helped me get more accurate answers. Good luck with your planning!
I retired in 2022 after 42 years as a federal employee under CSRS. When I turned 65 last year, I applied for Medicare but got completely confused about my Social Security situation. The SSA office initially denied my Medicare application saying I needed to file on my husband's record since I didn't have enough credits on my own. They set me up as a spouse on his record even though I kept telling them I just wanted Medicare. After multiple calls and finally visiting my local office in person, they fixed the Medicare issue but told me my spousal benefits went into suspense as of October 2023 because of Government Pension Offset (GPO). Now with the new 2025 GPO reform legislation, I'm wondering if my month of entitlement as a spouse will automatically change to January 2024 to reduce some of the age reduction penalties? I filed at 65 but my FRA is 67, so those early filing reductions are significant. Does anyone know how SSA will handle cases like mine where GPO previously put benefits in suspense?
my father in law got burnt by GPO so bad... worked 40 years for the county and gets zero ss even though he paid in for 10 years at a second job. this whole system is garbage
I'm in a very similar situation as a newer CSRS retiree! Filed for spousal benefits at 62 but they were immediately suspended due to GPO. I've been following the GPO reform closely and from what I understand, the new law creates a more favorable calculation but doesn't change your original month of entitlement. However, I'd strongly recommend calling SSA in early 2025 to specifically ask about your case since you never received actual payments. Some field offices are more knowledgeable about complex CSRS cases than others - if the first person doesn't seem to understand GPO thoroughly, ask to speak with someone who specializes in government pension cases. Also keep detailed notes of who you speak with and when, as you may need to reference previous conversations. The reform should at least get you some benefit instead of zero, which is progress!
Oliver Wagner
Does anyone know when these changes actually start? I heard 2025 but not sure exactly when during the year?
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Paolo Conti
suppsed to be January 2025 for the WEP changes but govt always takes longer than they say lol
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GalaxyGazer
I just remembered something IMPORTANT! If you have 30+ years of "substantial earnings" under Social Security, you might be COMPLETELY EXEMPT from WEP even under the current rules!!!! You should check if your 35 years of SS work all count as "substantial earnings" - the threshold changes each year. For 2023 it was around $28,050 I think?? If you have 30+ substantial years you might not even need to worry about WEP at all!!!!
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Keisha Robinson
AuthorOh that's a great point! I'll have to look at my earnings record and see if I have 30 years above that threshold. Some of my early teaching years at the private school probably had lower salaries, but my corporate years were all well above that amount. This gives me another avenue to check. Thank you!
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Zainab Ibrahim
This is such valuable information! I had no idea about the substantial earnings exemption. For anyone checking this, you can find your year-by-year substantial earnings thresholds on the SSA website or in your annual Social Security statement. @Keisha Robinson, definitely worth pulling up your earnings record on your mySocialSecurity account to count how many years you earned above each year's threshold. Even if you don't have 30 substantial years now, the new proportional formula should still be much better for your situation than the current WEP reduction.
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