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One more important point: The earnings limit applies only to earned income (wages or self-employment). It does NOT apply to investment income, pension payments, annuities, capital gains, or other government benefits. So if some of your $38,000 comes from these sources, it wouldn't count toward the earnings limit.

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It's all W-2 income unfortunately. But I'm learning a lot here! I never realized there was such a big difference between earned and unearned income for SS purposes.

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Don't panic! This is actually a pretty common situation and it's not as bad as it seems. The key thing is to report your expected earnings to SSA as soon as possible - don't wait until tax time. You can do this through your mySocialSecurity account online or by calling them. They'll adjust your payments going forward rather than demanding a lump sum repayment. Since you're earning $38K and the limit is $22,320, they'll withhold about $7,840 total ($15,680 over ÷ 2 = $7,840). This typically means they'll stop your monthly checks for several months until that amount is recovered, then resume payments. The silver lining is that when you reach your Full Retirement Age, SSA will recalculate your benefit to account for those withheld months, giving you a permanently higher monthly payment. So while it's stressful now, you're not actually losing that money long-term.

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I went through a similar situation with my disabled adult child and multiple minors a few years ago. One thing that really helped me was creating a spreadsheet to track all the different scenarios before making applications. Here's what I'd suggest documenting: - Your current family maximum ($2,675) - Each person's theoretical full benefit amount (50% of your PIA) - The proportional reduction when everyone applies vs. different combinations For your disabled daughter specifically, make sure you understand that once she switches from SSI to DAC benefits, she can't easily switch back if the numbers don't work out as expected. The good news is that DAC benefits typically provide more stability and freedom than SSI long-term. Also, don't forget that your minor children's benefits come with an earnings test if they work - something to consider as your 14-year-old approaches working age. The key is getting those actual calculations from SSA rather than trying to estimate. Every family's situation is unique, and the bend points in the family maximum formula make it nearly impossible to calculate accurately without their system.

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This spreadsheet approach is brilliant! I'm definitely going to set one up to track all the scenarios before we apply. You're absolutely right about needing the actual SSA calculations rather than trying to estimate - I've been spinning my wheels trying to figure out the bend points myself. The point about not being able to easily switch back from DAC to SSI is important too. From everything everyone has shared here, it sounds like DAC is almost always better long-term because of the asset limits and stability, but I want to make sure we're maximizing our total household income in the short term as well. Thanks for mentioning the earnings test for the minor children - that's another factor I hadn't fully considered as my 14-year-old will probably want to start working in a year or two.

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I'm dealing with a very similar situation right now - disabled adult child on SSI plus minor children eligible for benefits on my record. One thing I learned that might help you is that the Social Security Administration has local offices that can sometimes provide more detailed, personalized assistance than the national phone line. I made an appointment at my local SSA office and brought all my documentation - my disabled child's medical records, proof of disability onset before age 22, and information about everyone's current benefits. The representative was able to run actual calculations showing exactly how much each person would receive under different scenarios. What really surprised me was that even though the family maximum seemed like it would drastically reduce everyone's individual benefits, the total household income was still higher when everyone applied. The key factor was exactly what others mentioned - my disabled child's SSI just adjusted down to fill the gap, so we weren't really "losing" money, just shifting the source. The other huge advantage of switching from SSI to DAC benefits is that your daughter won't have to worry about those restrictive asset limits anymore. She could potentially save money, have a small inheritance, or even get married without losing benefits - none of which is possible with SSI. I'd definitely recommend making an in-person appointment if possible. The local office staff seemed much more knowledgeable about these complex family situations than the phone representatives.

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BTW be careful about any retroactive benefits they might try to give you!!! My friend switched at her FRA and they offered her 6 months of retroactive benefits which SEEMED great but actually permanently reduced her monthly amount!!! The rules are super complicated and the reps don't always explain everything correctly.

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This is an excellent point that many people miss. When you apply for retirement benefits at or after FRA, SSA offers up to 6 months of retroactive benefits. However, accepting this means your benefit amount is calculated as if you filed earlier, resulting in a permanently lower monthly payment. For survivor benefits switching to retirement benefits, this can be especially confusing. Always ask specifically how accepting retroactive benefits will affect your long-term payment amount.

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I'm going through something very similar right now! I'm 63 and have been on survivor benefits since my wife passed in 2022. The online system is absolutely useless for our situation - I get the same message about information not being available. What I ended up doing was calling the SSA national number (1-800-772-1213) early in the morning around 8 AM when they open. The wait was still about 45 minutes, but much better than later in the day. The agent was able to pull up my estimated retirement benefit right over the phone and explain the difference. In my case, my survivor benefit is higher, but she also explained that I could potentially switch to my own retirement benefit later if it grows enough with delayed retirement credits. The key thing I learned is that you really need to speak with someone directly - the online tools just aren't designed for people in our situation. One tip: have your Social Security number and your late husband's SSN ready when you call. They'll need both to access all the information.

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Thank you for sharing your experience! It's so helpful to hear from someone in almost the exact same situation. I'm definitely going to try calling at 8 AM - that's a great tip about the timing. 45 minutes still sounds long, but way better than the horror stories I've been hearing about 3+ hour waits! Did the agent give you actual dollar amounts for both benefits over the phone, or just tell you which one was higher? I'm really hoping to get specific numbers so I can plan properly for next year when I reach FRA. Also, when they mentioned delayed retirement credits potentially making your own benefit higher later - did they give you any timeframe for when that crossover point might happen?

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EVERYONE impacted by WEP and GPO should join advocacy groups fighting to repeal these unfair penalties! There are bills in Congress almost every year to reform or repeal them but they never pass because most people don't understand these rules until they're personally affected! I'm part of a retired teachers group that's lobbying on this issue. The Social Security Fairness Act would repeal both WEP and GPO but it keeps stalling in Congress. Google "repeal WEP GPO" to find groups in your state working on this. Public servants are getting ROBBED of benefits and it needs to STOP!

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I had no idea there were groups working on this! I'll definitely look into it. I worked for decades serving my community, paid into my pension system, and now I'm potentially getting nothing from a 24-year marriage while someone else with the identical marriage situation would get benefits. It does feel very unfair.

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I'm in a very similar situation - divorced teacher with a state pension trying to figure out the GPO maze! One thing that helped me was getting a copy of my Social Security Statement online at ssa.gov/myaccount to see what MY estimated benefits would be on my own record vs. what I might potentially get as an ex-spouse (before GPO reduction). Also, I found out that some states have different pension systems - mine allows "dual coverage" where I paid into both Social Security AND the state pension for certain years. If you had any years like that, those might affect your calculations. The key thing I learned is that GPO is based on your GROSS monthly pension amount, not what you actually take home after taxes and deductions. So if your pension statement shows $2,250 gross but you only get $1,800 after taxes/insurance, they still use the $2,250 for the GPO calculation. Definitely worth getting professional help navigating this - the rules are so complex and the stakes are too high to guess wrong!

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As a newcomer to this community, I have to say this entire discussion has been incredibly enlightening! I'm about 18 months away from my own early retirement decision and had no idea about the Monthly Earnings Test for the first year - this is exactly the kind of real-world information you can't easily find on the SSA website. What really stands out to me is how many different experiences people have had, which seems to depend on whether they qualified for that "grace year" provision or not. For anyone else following along who might be in a similar situation, it seems like the key takeaways are: 1) There ARE two different earnings tests, 2) The monthly test can be much more favorable if you qualify, 3) You need to specifically ask SSA about the "grace year" provision by name, and 4) Get everything documented in writing. Andre, I hope you get the clarity you need when you call SSA directly - please consider updating us on what you learn, as I'm sure others will benefit from your experience! This community is such a valuable resource for navigating these complex decisions.

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Welcome to the community, Katherine! Your summary of the key takeaways is spot-on and really helpful for anyone who might be reading through this thread. I'm also fairly new here and have been amazed by how much practical knowledge gets shared by people who've actually been through these processes. The Monthly Earnings Test seems to be one of those "hidden" Social Security rules that can make a huge difference but isn't well-publicized. Your point about getting everything documented is so important - I've learned from other government benefit situations that verbal assurances don't always translate to consistent application later on. Andre, I'd echo Katherine's request to update us on what you learn from SSA - your situation seems like a textbook case for the monthly test, and it would be great to hear how the official conversation goes. Thanks for starting such an informative discussion!

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As someone who recently navigated this exact situation, I can add some clarity here! I claimed my Social Security benefits at age 64 in March 2024 while still working part-time, and I was initially just as confused as you are about the earnings test timing. Here's what I learned from my SSA representative: If you're claiming benefits for the first time and have significantly reduced your work activity (what SSA calls a "grace year"), you'll likely qualify for the Monthly Earnings Test for the remainder of your first year. This means from May through December 2025, you'd be evaluated month-by-month using the $1,770 monthly limit rather than being subject to the full annual limit. The key is that "substantial reduction in work activity" requirement - since you mentioned you're reducing from full-time to part-time consulting, you should qualify. Each month after you start benefits, if you earn under $1,770, you get your full benefit for that month. If you earn over $1,770 in a specific month, you simply don't receive benefits for just that month - no penalties or payback issues. Starting in 2026, you'd then be subject to the standard calendar year earnings test (January-December). I'd definitely recommend calling SSA and specifically asking about the "Monthly Earnings Test" and "grace year provision" - use those exact terms. The regular customer service reps are more familiar with these concepts when you use the official terminology. This monthly approach was a game-changer for my planning since I could take on higher-paying projects occasionally without worrying about exceeding an annual limit. Hope this helps with your budgeting!

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Thank you so much for sharing your firsthand experience with this, Evelyn! This is exactly the kind of real-world insight that makes all the difference. Your point about using the official terminology - "Monthly Earnings Test" and "grace year provision" - when speaking with SSA is invaluable. I can imagine how much clearer the conversation becomes when you use the terms they're familiar with rather than trying to describe the concept in general terms. The fact that you were able to take on higher-paying projects occasionally without the annual limit stress really highlights how much more flexible this monthly approach can be for people transitioning into retirement. As someone who's still figuring out the best strategy for my own situation, I'm curious - did SSA automatically apply the monthly test once they determined you qualified for the grace year, or was there any additional paperwork or steps you had to take? This whole discussion has really opened my eyes to how much more nuanced Social Security benefits can be than I initially realized!

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