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I really appreciate all the responses! I'm going to call SSA tomorrow to find out if I'm under the new proportional withholding system or still on the old all-or-nothing approach. Either way, it's good to know that changes are happening, even if gradually. And just to be clear - I understand I'll still lose the same TOTAL amount to the earnings test either way. I'm just hoping for smaller reductions spread throughout the year rather than zero benefits for half the year. Makes budgeting so much easier!
I'm a newcomer here but this conversation is really helpful! I'm 62 and just started receiving survivor benefits last year. My local SSA office mentioned something about changes to how they handle the earnings test, but they weren't very clear about the details. Based on what I'm reading here, it sounds like the new proportional system would definitely be better for budgeting purposes, even though the total withholding amount stays the same. Has anyone found out which specific SSA processing centers or regions have implemented this new system yet? I'm in Texas and wondering if I should even bother calling to ask about it or if it's not available here yet. Also, for those who have successfully gotten through to SSA - what's the best time of day to call to avoid those crazy wait times?
Thanks for all the advice everyone! I've decided to take those last few days of December off. My manager was understanding once I explained the situation. Going over by even a little bit sounds like it creates a huge headache. I'll save the extra hours for January when I have a fresh earnings limit to work with. Really appreciate all the insights!
Good call on taking the time off! I went through something similar a couple years ago and learned the hard way that SSA is very strict about the "when earned" rule. Even though it seems unfair that a January paycheck for December work counts against the previous year's limit, that's exactly how they calculate it. The peace of mind is worth more than those few extra hours of pay. Plus, you'll have that higher 2025 limit to work with starting in January. Better to be safe than deal with overpayment notices and benefit reductions later!
Just wanted to add one more thing that helped me when I went through this - make sure to keep detailed records of your last day of work and any final payments. I created a simple spreadsheet tracking my earnings by month for 2025, which made it much easier when SSA asked for documentation later. Also, if you do decide to move your retirement date up to May 31st like you mentioned, double-check that you won't lose any employer benefits (like health insurance coverage) by leaving a few weeks earlier. Sometimes there are month-end cutoffs for benefits that could affect your transition to Medicare eligibility. One last tip: when you call SSA to discuss your situation, ask them to put notes in your file about the conversation. This creates a paper trail that can help if there are any issues later with the earnings test calculation.
This is such great advice about keeping detailed records! I'm definitely going to create that spreadsheet you mentioned. Quick question - when you say "final payments," does that include things like unused PTO payout? I'm wondering if that would count toward the monthly earnings limit since technically it's for time I already worked but getting paid after I retire. Also, the tip about asking SSA to put notes in the file is brilliant. I never would have thought of that but it makes total sense given how many people mentioned having issues with their calculations later on.
Great question about PTO payout! From what I understand, unused vacation/PTO that gets paid out after you retire typically doesn't count toward the monthly earnings limit because it's considered payment for work performed in previous periods, not current earnings. However, SSA can be picky about this - they'll want to see documentation showing the PTO was accrued from prior work periods. I'd recommend getting a letter from HR that specifically breaks down any final payments (PTO, unused sick leave, etc.) and shows they're for previously earned time off. This helped me avoid any confusion when I had a similar payout. And yes, absolutely create that paper trail with SSA! I actually started a small notebook where I wrote down the date, time, and name of every SSA representative I spoke with, plus what we discussed. It saved me so much headache when there was a discrepancy in my file later.
I'm in a very similar situation - turning 64 next month and planning to retire in August after earning about $38K so far this year. This thread has been incredibly helpful! One thing I wanted to add that I learned from my local SSA office: if you're planning to do ANY contract or freelance work after retiring (even just occasional consulting), make sure you understand how that income gets counted. They told me that self-employment income is handled differently and there's something called "substantial services" that could affect your eligibility for the monthly test. Also, for anyone else reading this - I called the SSA customer service line three times before I got someone who actually understood the first-year rule. Don't give up if the first person you talk to seems confused about it. Ask to speak with someone who specializes in earnings test calculations. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences here. It's so much more helpful than the confusing official publications!
Thanks everyone for all the helpful advice! I'm going to apply in early May, which will be about 4 months before my September eligibility. I'll make sure my mySocialSecurity account is up-to-date first and have all my documents ready. One more question - does anyone know if I need to provide my birth certificate even if I'm applying online? I have a passport, but my original birth certificate is in a safety deposit box that's not very convenient to access.
If you're a US citizen and already have a mySocialSecurity account that's been verified, you typically won't need to submit your birth certificate with an online application. Your passport is actually a stronger form of ID anyway. However, keep in mind that SSA might request additional documentation if there are any discrepancies in their records. I always recommend having these documents accessible just in case, but you likely won't need to upload them with your initial application if you're applying online with an established account.
Just wanted to add my recent experience - I applied for Social Security benefits in January 2025 for my July FRA, so about 6 months early. The system accepted my application without any issues and I received confirmation that it's being held for processing at the appropriate time. I know some people have mentioned concerns about applying too early, but the SSA representative I spoke with said they prefer having applications in the system early rather than rushing to process last-minute submissions. This gives them time to identify and resolve any potential issues before your benefit start date. My advice: don't stress too much about the exact timing as long as you're in that 3-6 month window. The most important thing is making sure all your information is accurate when you submit. Good luck with your application!
That's reassuring to hear! I was worried about applying too early, but it sounds like 6 months worked out fine for you. I think I'll stick with my plan to apply in early May (4 months before September). It's good to know they'd rather have the application early and can hold it for processing rather than dealing with a rush of last-minute applications. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Fatima Al-Suwaidi
I'm also in a very similar situation and wanted to add my experience for anyone following this thread. I'm a retired teacher with 28 years in the Illinois Teachers' Retirement System, and my husband passed away 2 years ago. I calculated that his $1,950 survivor benefit would be completely eliminated by GPO against my $3,200 TRS pension, so I never applied. What's giving me some hope is that I found an old email thread from 2023 with my financial planner where we specifically discussed survivor benefits and she advised against applying due to GPO. I also have documentation from a TRS pre-retirement seminar where they explained how GPO would affect Social Security benefits. One thing I haven't seen mentioned here is that some people in teacher retirement Facebook groups are reporting that certain SSA offices are asking for statements from retirement counselors or pension administrators confirming that members were advised not to apply due to GPO. I'm planning to contact my TRS representative to see if they can provide something like that. The inconsistency between different SSA offices is really concerning. It seems like your success might depend on which office you visit and how knowledgeable the representative is about these complex GPO repeal cases. Has anyone had success requesting a specific appointment with someone who specializes in these cases? I'm still trying to get through on the phone to schedule my appointment. This whole process has been incredibly stressful after already dealing with the grief of losing a spouse. But reading everyone's experiences here gives me hope that persistence will pay off.
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Amy Fleming
•Your experience with the teacher retirement system sounds incredibly frustrating, and I really appreciate you sharing those details about the documentation you've found. That email thread with your financial planner could be exactly the kind of evidence that helps establish you would have applied if not for GPO! The idea about getting a statement from TRS representatives is brilliant - I hadn't thought of that approach. I'm going to reach out to my DOE benefits office to see if they can provide similar documentation confirming that they advised employees about GPO's impact on survivor benefits. You're absolutely right about the inconsistency between offices being concerning. It really shouldn't matter which SSA office you visit when we're all dealing with the same federal law change. I wonder if it would be worth calling ahead once you get your appointment scheduled to ask if they have representatives who specialize in GPO repeal cases? The stress aspect is so real - we're all dealing with this complicated bureaucracy while still processing the loss of our spouses. It feels like we're being punished twice: once by the original GPO rule that kept us from getting benefits we deserved, and now again by a system that can't fairly implement the repeal. Thank you for mentioning the teacher retirement Facebook groups - I should look for similar federal employee groups that might be sharing experiences. The more information we can gather from people who've already been through this process, the better prepared we'll all be. Keep fighting for what you deserve!
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Morita Montoya
I'm in almost the exact same situation and this thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm a retired federal employee (32 years with the VA) and my husband passed away 3 years ago. I never applied for his $2,400 survivor benefit because my FERS pension of $4,100 would have eliminated it completely under GPO. Reading through everyone's experiences, it's clear that documentation is going to be key. I'm going to dig through my emails to see if I have anything from retirement planning sessions or conversations with my financial advisor about not applying due to GPO. One question for those who have already had their appointments: Are SSA representatives asking for specific forms of documentation, or are they pretty flexible about what counts as evidence that you didn't apply because of GPO? I'm worried I might not have the "right" kind of paperwork. Also, has anyone tried contacting their congressman's office BEFORE their SSA appointment? I'm wondering if getting their office involved early might help ensure the SSA office treats the case more seriously. The waiting and uncertainty is really stressful, especially when we're talking about thousands of dollars in retroactive benefits. But I'm encouraged by some of the success stories mentioned here. We all deserve fair treatment after years of being excluded by this unfair rule!
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