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I'm planning to retire next month (June) and start collecting Social Security. I'm 64, so I know I'm below my full retirement age and subject to the earnings limit. Here's my situation - I've already made about $40,000 in income this year from my job. Once I retire, I won't have any more earnings for 2025. Does anyone know if the annual earnings limit ($22,320 for 2025, I think?) still applies to my entire year's income, or is there some kind of monthly rule since I'm stopping work mid-year? Will they reduce my SS benefits for the rest of this year because I've already earned over the limit? I'm trying to figure out if I should delay my retirement by a month or two or if it won't make any difference at this point. Really confused about this and my HR department wasn't helpful at all.
I'm turning 67 next month (my full retirement age) but I'm still enjoying my part-time consulting work and don't plan on stopping anytime soon. I've been getting conflicting advice about whether working will reduce my Social Security benefits. My sister-in-law insists that I'll lose benefits if I keep working, but my financial advisor says that once I reach FRA, I can earn as much as I want without penalty. Can someone clarify this? Will the SSA reduce my monthly payments because I'm still earning income? I'm expecting about $2,800/month in SS benefits and will probably make around $38,000 this year from my consulting. Any insight would be appreciated!
I'm so confused about all this FRA stuff!!! Is that the same as the retirement age? I'm 62 and thinking about taking my benefits early but I'm still working part time at Walmart. Will they reduce my benefits? I make about $22,000 a year.
FRA stands for Full Retirement Age, which is different for everyone based on their birth year. For people born 1960 or later, FRA is 67. For those born earlier, it's between 66 and 67. At 62, you're taking benefits before your FRA, so yes, the earnings limit would apply to you. In 2025, if you earn more than $21,240, your benefits will be reduced by $1 for every $2 you earn above that limit. With your $22,000 income, you'd be $760 over the limit, so your annual benefits would be reduced by $380 (or about $32 per month). Additionally, by claiming early at 62, your benefit amount is permanently reduced by about a 5/9 of one percent for each month before your FRA (up to 36 months) and then 5/12 of one percent beyond that. This can mean up to a 30% permanent reduction compared to waiting until your FRA.
I'm in a similar boat - just turned 66 and still working part-time as a nurse. Can confirm what others have said about no benefit reduction at FRA! I've been collecting my full $2,400/month while earning about $30k from my nursing shifts. The SSA doesn't care how much you make once you hit your FRA. One thing I learned the hard way though - definitely plan for the tax hit. Between my SS benefits, part-time income, and some retirement account withdrawals, I ended up owing way more than expected last year. Now I have taxes withheld from my SS payments (10% federal) and make quarterly payments. Also watch out for the Medicare IRMAA increases if your income gets too high - that caught me by surprise too. Bottom line: work as much as you want at FRA without worrying about benefit reductions, just plan for the tax implications!
I turned 64 last month and have been receiving my Social Security retirement benefits since February 2025. With the housing market being so unpredictable, my real estate appraisal business has really slowed down, so I picked up a couple of side gigs at a hardware store and doing weekend bookkeeping for a small business. Just trying to make ends meet until things pick up again. Yesterday I got this alarming letter from SSA saying they're SUSPENDING my benefits because I'm working! I thought we were allowed to work while collecting early retirement as long as we stay under the annual earnings limit (which I thought was around $22,230 for 2025)? I've only made about $14,500 so far this year from all sources combined. Did the rules change? Do I need to quit these part-time jobs? The letter doesn't explain much, just says my "entitlement to benefits is being suspended due to substantial gainful activity." I'm completely confused and really need this monthly check.
UPDATE: I finally spoke with someone at SSA! You all were right - they still had me classified as receiving disability benefits even though I've been on retirement benefits since February. The representative was actually very helpful once I explained the situation and showed that I had documentation of my retirement application approval. They're expediting the correction and said my benefits should resume with the next payment. They're also processing the back payment for this month. Thank you all SO MUCH for your help in figuring this out! I would have been completely lost without your advice.
Great news! Make sure you get the name of the representative and some kind of confirmation number for this conversation. It wouldn't hurt to follow up in a week if you don't see the correction processing in your online account.
So glad you got this resolved! This is such a perfect example of why it's so important to understand the difference between disability and retirement benefits - the rules are completely different. Your story will definitely help others who might run into this same system mix-up. It's crazy how often SSA's records don't get properly updated when people transition between programs. Thanks for posting the update!
I'm turning 65 soon and haven't worked for about 3 years as I've been caring for my wife who has health issues. During my working years (about 19 years total), I made pretty good money - usually over $160k annually. Social Security sent me a letter a while back stating I had 'fully met the requirements for drawing when ready.' I'm confused about what this actually means for my benefit amount. Will I get the full payment based on my earnings history, or will they reduce it because I only worked 19 years instead of a full 35? Does anyone know if that letter guarantees me the maximum benefit or will it still be calculated based on those 'zero income' years after I stopped working? Really appreciate any help understanding this!
One thing that might help put this in perspective - you can actually run some rough calculations yourself before calling SSA. Take your 19 years of earnings (you can find these on your SSA statement), add 16 zeros, then divide the total by 35 to get your average. That average gets put through SSA's benefit formula to determine your Primary Insurance Amount (PIA). Since you were earning $160k annually, even with those zeros factored in, you're probably looking at a pretty decent benefit. The formula is progressive, meaning lower earners get a higher percentage of their average earnings replaced, but higher earners like yourself still get substantial dollar amounts even at the lower replacement percentages. The key thing to remember is that your high earnings years will help offset those zeros more than you might expect. Someone who worked 35 years but had many low-earning years early in their career might not be that much better off than your situation.
This is really helpful for understanding the actual math behind it! I never thought to try calculating it myself first. Do you happen to know where I can find the current SSA benefit formula, or is that something that changes each year? It would be interesting to see roughly what my PIA might be before I get the official estimate. Your point about high earners still getting substantial amounts even at lower replacement percentages is reassuring - I was worried those zeros would just completely tank my benefits.
You can find the current SSA benefit formula on their website at ssa.gov - just search for "Primary Insurance Amount" or "PIA formula." The bend points (income thresholds) do change each year based on wage indexing, but the basic structure stays the same. For 2024, it's roughly 90% of the first $1,174 of average monthly earnings, 32% of earnings between $1,174-$7,078, and 15% of earnings above that. Since your average will likely fall into multiple brackets even with the zeros, you should still see a solid benefit. The SSA website also has benefit calculators that can give you a ballpark estimate if you plug in your earnings history!
I went through a similar situation when I retired at 62 after working only 23 years. The key thing that helped me was understanding that Social Security uses your "indexed earnings" - meaning they adjust your past earnings for inflation before calculating your benefit. This actually works in your favor since your $160k earnings from several years ago are worth even more in today's dollars when they run the calculation. Also, don't forget that you can still earn credits if you decide to do any part-time work before claiming benefits. Even a small amount of earned income can replace some of those zero years if it's higher than your lowest earning years. I did some consulting work for a couple years specifically to bump up my calculation, and it made a noticeable difference in my monthly benefit. The my.ssa.gov estimate is pretty accurate, so definitely check that first. But calling SSA is still worth it to understand all your options, especially given your caregiving situation.
I'm so confused about what language to use when talking to the SSA about getting the extra spousal amount added to my own benefit! I've been rejected twice when requesting 'spousal benefits' even though I brought my marriage license. They're reopening my case, but I'm worried they'll misinterpret what I want. My husband is on SSDI, and I've already claimed my own retirement benefits early. I DO NOT want to switch to his record - I just want the additional amount (if any) his record might provide while keeping MY work record as the base. I'm also thinking long-term since he's likely to pass before me, and I want to delay taking survivor benefits until I reach my FRA. I have an appointment with my local office tomorrow and need to know: what's the EXACT terminology I should use so they don't mess up my claim? Is it called a 'spousal excess benefit' or 'spousal top-off amount' or something else entirely? I don't want to use the wrong words and end up with a processing error that could affect my future survivor benefits. Thanks for any help with the proper SSA-speak!
UPDATE: I called this morning and used the terms you all suggested. Asked specifically about "excess spousal benefits" and "dual entitlement" while keeping my own record. The representative seemed to understand right away! She looked up my case and said there was confusion because I had checked the wrong box on a previous form which made it look like I wanted to switch to spousal benefits completely. She's sending me a new form to fill out, and she made notes in my file about what I'm actually requesting. I also asked to see the calculation once they do it to make sure everything is correct. Thank you all so much for the correct terminology! I feel much more confident now that they understand what I'm asking for.
Congratulations on getting through to someone who understood! That's such a relief after all the confusion. Your experience really shows how important it is to use the correct SSA terminology - "excess spousal benefits" and "dual entitlement" seem to be the magic words that get their attention. It's also really smart that you asked them to make notes in your file about what you're requesting. That should help prevent future mix-ups if you have to call again or deal with different representatives. When you get that new form, take your time filling it out and maybe even call back to confirm you're checking the right boxes before submitting it. After all the hassle you've been through, you want to make sure this gets processed correctly the first time! Keep us posted on how the calculation turns out - your experience could really help other people in similar situations.
James Martinez
does anyone know if disability has the same rules?? my brother is on SSDI and thinking about trying part time work
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Noah Ali
No, SSDI has completely different rules called Substantial Gainful Activity (SGA). For 2025, the SGA amount is $1,550 per month for non-blind individuals. There's also the Trial Work Period (TWP) where you can test your ability to work while still receiving benefits. The monthly earnings limit to count as a TWP month is $1,130 in 2025. Your brother should speak with a benefits counselor before starting work to understand how it might affect his SSDI.
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Mei Zhang
Just wanted to add one more thing that helped me when I went through this - make sure to keep detailed records of your last day of work and any final payments. I created a simple spreadsheet tracking my earnings by month for 2025, which made it much easier when SSA asked for documentation later. Also, if you do decide to move your retirement date up to May 31st like you mentioned, double-check that you won't lose any employer benefits (like health insurance coverage) by leaving a few weeks earlier. Sometimes there are month-end cutoffs for benefits that could affect your transition to Medicare eligibility. One last tip: when you call SSA to discuss your situation, ask them to put notes in your file about the conversation. This creates a paper trail that can help if there are any issues later with the earnings test calculation.
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