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As someone new to this community, I'm really impressed by the wealth of knowledge shared here! Mei, congratulations on getting this resolved - your story is incredibly helpful for understanding how to navigate SSA effectively. What really stands out to me is how crucial it is to use the right terminology. The fact that saying "manual adjustment for underpayment" was like a key that unlocked the right help shows how important it is to speak the agency's language. I had no idea there were specific phrases that could make such a difference in getting proper assistance. This thread is also a great example of why persistence matters when dealing with government agencies. It's easy to get discouraged after multiple frustrating calls, but your success shows that the right approach combined with determination really does pay off. Thank you to everyone who contributed their expertise here - this is exactly the kind of practical, actionable advice that makes this community so valuable for people navigating complex benefit issues!

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Welcome to the community, Kelsey! I completely agree with your observations about this thread. As another newcomer, I've been taking notes on all the valuable terminology and strategies shared here. What really impressed me about Mei's experience is how it demonstrates that even when you're dealing with what seems like bureaucratic indifference, there are often specific pathways to resolution if you know how to access them. The distinction between getting a generic "system shows current" response versus connecting with a Claims Specialist who understands the nuances of benefit processing is huge. I'm also struck by how supportive this community is - everyone jumped in with concrete, actionable advice rather than just commiserating. The combination of technical knowledge (like citing Section 204(a) of the Social Security Act) with practical tips (like using specific phrases and documenting everything) creates such a comprehensive resource for anyone facing similar challenges. This thread is definitely going in my reference folder for future SSA interactions!

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This entire thread is a masterclass in effective advocacy when dealing with SSA! As someone completely new to Social Security benefits, I had no idea that using specific terminology could make such a dramatic difference in getting proper assistance. Mei, your persistence is truly inspiring, and I'm so glad you got the resolution you deserved. The fact that you were able to turn months of frustration into success just by using the phrase "manual adjustment for underpayment" and asking for a Claims Specialist shows how important it is to understand the system's language. What really strikes me is how this community rallied with such specific, actionable advice. From the legal citations to the step-by-step instructions, everyone contributed something valuable to help solve your problem. This is exactly why these forums are so important - you've created a resource that will help countless others facing similar processing errors. I'm definitely saving all these key phrases and strategies for future reference. Thank you for sharing your journey from problem to solution - it gives me confidence that even the most frustrating bureaucratic issues can be resolved with the right approach and determination!

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Mei Liu

Thank you all for the helpful information! After reading everything, I think we'll still proceed with me filing at 65 and my wife filing for spousal benefits at 62. The reduced amount will still help our situation, and with my health concerns, waiting doesn't make sense for us. I've already enrolled in Medicare (did that last month), so we're all set there. I appreciate everyone sharing their experiences and knowledge - this has been really valuable for our planning!

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Sounds like you've made an informed decision based on your specific circumstances, which is exactly what Social Security planning should be about. Everyone's situation is different. One last tip: when your wife applies for spousal benefits, make sure she has your Social Security number, your date of birth, and your date of filing readily available. This will help streamline her application process. Best of luck to both of you!

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One thing to keep in mind is that your wife's spousal benefit won't automatically start when you file - she needs to submit her own application. The SSA doesn't automatically enroll spouses, even if they're clearly eligible. Also, make sure she applies using Form SSA-2 (Application for Spouse's or Divorced Spouse's Benefits) rather than the regular retirement application. The process is pretty straightforward, but having all your documentation ready (marriage certificate, her birth certificate, your SSN) will help avoid delays. Since you're both filing early, it's smart that you've already done the math on what to expect. Good luck with everything!

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Thanks for mentioning Form SSA-2! I hadn't heard about that specific form before. I was planning to have her apply online through the SSA website - will that automatically use the right form, or should we specifically request SSA-2? Also, good point about having all the documentation ready. We have our marriage certificate and birth certificates, but I should double-check that they're certified copies since I think that's what they require for these applications.

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Welcome to the community! I'm new here but wanted to share something that might help with your tax situation. Since you mentioned being concerned about having 85% of your SS benefits taxed with your planned income levels, you might want to look into tax-loss harvesting from any taxable investment accounts you have, or consider timing your IRA withdrawals more strategically. For example, instead of taking $60K annually from IRAs, you could take larger withdrawals in years when you have lower income (maybe due to medical expenses or other deductions) and smaller withdrawals in years when your income is already high. This could help manage which tax bracket you're in each year. Also, if you have any charitable giving plans, qualified charitable distributions (QCDs) directly from your IRA to charity after age 70.5 can count toward your required minimum distributions but won't be included in your taxable income - which could help reduce that combined income calculation for SS taxation. Just some thoughts from someone who's been researching similar strategies for my own retirement planning!

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Welcome to the community, Sean! Those are really excellent strategies you've mentioned. The QCD option is particularly interesting - I hadn't thought about using charitable donations strategically to reduce the taxable income that affects SS benefit taxation. Your point about timing IRA withdrawals based on yearly income fluctuations is also smart. We might have some years with higher medical expenses or other deductions that could create opportunities for larger withdrawals without bumping us into higher tax brackets. Thanks for sharing these ideas - it's giving me more questions to discuss with our financial advisor!

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Hi everyone! I'm new to this community but have been following this discussion with great interest since my husband and I are in a very similar situation. I wanted to add one more consideration that might be helpful - if your wife is planning to retire in March 2025, you might want to think about healthcare coverage during that transition period. If she's currently getting health insurance through her employer, you'll need to either COBRA her coverage or find alternative insurance until she becomes Medicare eligible at 65. This could significantly impact your budget calculations, especially since COBRA can be quite expensive. Some people find it worthwhile to have the higher earner continue working part-time just to maintain health benefits, even if it means dealing with the earnings test limitations. Also, regarding the tax planning discussion - don't forget about state taxes if you live in a state that taxes Social Security benefits. Some states follow federal rules, others don't tax SS at all, and a few have their own formulas. This could affect your overall tax strategy for IRA withdrawals. Hope this helps with your planning! It's so valuable to have a community where we can share these experiences and learn from each other.

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This is such a valuable discussion! As someone who's been navigating Social Security planning for my own family, I wanted to add a perspective that might help with your decision-making process. One thing I learned from my financial advisor is to think about this in terms of "Social Security arbitrage." If you're healthy and expect to live well into your 80s or beyond, the recalculation benefit that Atticus mentioned becomes really important. Essentially, you're getting an 8% annual increase on your benefit amount for each year you delay past your full retirement age (until age 70), plus the credit for any withheld benefits. But here's the practical reality check: if you need the income NOW to maintain your quality of life, then the math about future adjustments doesn't matter as much. I've seen too many people stress themselves out trying to optimize every dollar when they should be focused on having financial security and peace of mind today. For your specific situation with the missing earnings years, that's absolutely your first priority. Those 3 years could be worth thousands of dollars annually for the rest of your life. Everything else is just fine-tuning compared to getting your benefit calculation correct. My suggestion would be to fix the earnings record first, then reassess your work situation with the correct benefit amount in hand. You might find the decision becomes much clearer once you know your actual numbers!

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This is exactly the kind of balanced perspective I needed to hear! You're so right about not getting caught up in optimizing every dollar at the expense of peace of mind today. I think I've been overthinking the precision of it all when the reality is I need to focus on what works for my current situation and stress level. Your point about "Social Security arbitrage" is fascinating - I hadn't thought about it in those terms before. But you're absolutely right that if I need the income now to feel financially secure, then future optimization matters less than present peace of mind. I'm definitely taking everyone's advice about prioritizing the earnings record correction first. It sounds like that could have a much bigger impact on my monthly benefit than any of these earnings limit calculations. Once I know what my actual benefit should be, I can make a more informed decision about work. Thank you for helping me see the forest for the trees! Sometimes you need someone to remind you that financial planning should serve your life goals, not become a source of endless stress.

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm new to this community and in a similar situation at 64. One aspect I haven't seen mentioned yet is the impact of Medicare premiums if you're already enrolled or planning to enroll soon. When you're receiving Social Security benefits, Medicare Part B premiums are automatically deducted from your monthly payment. But if your benefits are withheld due to excess earnings, you'll need to pay those premiums directly to Medicare, which can be a cash flow surprise that some people don't anticipate. Also, for those considering the "work now, get credited later" approach - don't forget that Medicare premiums increase each year, so even when your benefits are recalculated upward at FRA, a portion of that increase will be offset by higher Medicare costs. Just another factor to consider in the overall equation! The earnings record correction definitely sounds like the highest priority item based on everyone's experiences shared here.

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Welcome to the community, Simon! That's such an important point about Medicare premiums that I completely overlooked. I'm turning 65 next year so Medicare enrollment is definitely on my radar, but I hadn't thought about the cash flow impact if my SS benefits get withheld. Having to suddenly pay those premiums out of pocket while also dealing with reduced SS income could be a real budget strain. This is yet another reason why staying under the earnings limit might make sense for me - it keeps everything predictable and avoids these kinds of cascading financial complications. Between the earnings reduction, taxes, and now potential Medicare premium payment issues, working above the limit is looking less and less appealing. Thanks for adding this perspective - it's exactly the kind of real-world consideration that helps make these decisions clearer!

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