Will my deceased spouse's pension reduce my SS survivor benefits at FRA (67)? Working while collecting
I'm turning 63 next month and trying to make a plan for survivor benefits after my husband passed last year. I'm thinking of waiting until my full retirement age (67) to claim the survivor benefit to get the maximum amount, but I'm confused about how they'll calculate it. I currently receive his pension from the state government ($2,150/month) and I'm still working full-time as a nurse making about $78,000 annually. Will SSA reduce my survivor benefit because of either the pension or my earnings? The funeral director gave us some paperwork about survivor benefits, but it didn't explain how these factors might affect the calculation. Has anyone been in a similar situation? Any insights would be greatly appreciated.
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Ashley Simian
This is a complicated situation with a few moving parts. First, regarding your work income - once you reach your Full Retirement Age (67), there is no earnings test, so your work income won't reduce your survivor benefits. However, the pension is a different matter. If your husband's pension was from work where he DIDN'T pay into Social Security (like some state and local government jobs), then yes, the Government Pension Offset (GPO) could reduce your survivor benefits. The reduction is typically 2/3 of your pension amount. If his pension was from work where he DID pay Social Security taxes, then there's no reduction to your survivor benefits. You should definitely contact SSA directly to get a calculation specific to your situation.
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Miguel Harvey
•Thank you for explaining this! Yes, my husband worked for a state government position that didn't pay into Social Security for 23 years. So if I understand correctly, they'll reduce my survivor benefit by 2/3 of my pension amount? That seems like a huge reduction! Is there any way around this? I'm so confused about why they would penalize me like this.
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Oliver Cheng
DONT wAIT TO FILE!!!! I made this EXACT SAME MISTAKE waiting til my FRA. You should file for survivors NOW and let them reduce it for working. The reduction for working stops at FRA but if there's a government pension offset that NEVER goes away!!!! So your essentially loosing money every month your not collecting. SSA wont tell you this stuff unless you ask exactly the right question!!!!!
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Taylor To
•This isn't necessarily accurate advice for everyone. Whether to claim survivor benefits early or wait until FRA depends on individual circumstances. While the Government Pension Offset (GPO) will apply regardless of when you claim, earning penalties before FRA can significantly reduce benefits if you're working full-time. At the OP's income level of $78,000, they would lose a substantial portion of survivor benefits before FRA due to the earnings test. A personalized calculation is needed to determine the optimal filing strategy.
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Ella Cofer
I recently helped my mom with something similar. The key question is whether your husband's pension was from a job that paid into Social Security or not. If it didn't (sounds like it might be a "non-covered" pension), then unfortunately the GPO (Government Pension Offset) will reduce your survivor benefits by 2/3 of your pension amount. So if you get $2,150/month pension, they'll reduce your survivor benefit by about $1,433. If your survivor benefit would have been less than that amount, you might not get anything at all. It's really frustrating! But definitely check with SSA because there are exceptions sometimes. I found I couldn't get through to SSA on the phone after trying for weeks, but I used this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me connected to a real person at SSA within 20 minutes. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU. It was super helpful for getting my mom's situation sorted out since these calculations can be really specific to your situation.
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Miguel Harvey
•Thank you for the tip about Claimyr. I've been trying to get through to SSA without success. It's so frustrating that they make this so complicated! I'll check out that service because I really need to speak with someone to understand exactly how this will impact me. Did your mom end up receiving any survivor benefits after the GPO reduction?
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Kevin Bell
My condolences on your loss. When my husband died I was so confused about all this too. Just remember the funeral directors dont know anything about SS rules they just hand out papers.
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Miguel Harvey
•That's very true. The funeral director was kind but the paperwork was so generic. Thank you for your kind words.
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Savannah Glover
you should look into restricted application if ur eligible. my neighborr did this and got more $$$. not sure exactly how it works but worth looking into.
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Ashley Simian
•Restricted applications are no longer available for most people due to changes in the law in 2015. The only people still eligible would be those born before January 2, 1954. Based on the OP's age (turning 63 next month), they were born after that cutoff date and wouldn't be eligible for a restricted application strategy.
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Felix Grigori
I'm going through almost the same thing right now! My situation is a bit different because I'm dealing with my own pension not my husbands. I worked as a teacher for 30 years so my Social Security is reduced because of WEP. It's all so unfair how they treat us public servants. I spent hours on the phone with SSA last week trying to understand it all.
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Taylor To
•You're describing a different but related situation. The Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) reduces your own Social Security benefits if you receive a pension from work not covered by Social Security. The Government Pension Offset (GPO) reduces spousal or survivor benefits when you receive a pension from non-covered work. Both provisions can feel unfair to public servants, but they serve different purposes in the Social Security system. The OP is specifically dealing with GPO since it's her husband's pension affecting her survivor benefits.
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Taylor To
Since you're turning 63 and plan to wait until 67 (your FRA), here are the key points to consider: 1. The Government Pension Offset (GPO) will likely apply since your husband's pension comes from a state government job that didn't pay into Social Security. 2. The GPO reduction is 2/3 of your gross pension amount, so approximately $1,433 will be deducted from your survivor benefit. 3. Your earnings won't affect your survivor benefits once you reach FRA (67), but they would reduce benefits if you claimed earlier. 4. To make an informed decision, you need to know what your survivor benefit amount would be before the GPO reduction. This amount is based on what your husband would receive if he were alive at your FRA. 5. Request a detailed calculation from SSA showing both your survivor benefit amount and the GPO reduction. This will help you determine if you'll receive any benefit after the reduction. The optimal claiming strategy depends on these numbers. If the GPO would eliminate most or all of your survivor benefit, it might make sense to claim earlier and accept the earnings reduction.
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Miguel Harvey
•Thank you for laying this out so clearly. I called the local SSA office but couldn't get through. I'll try to schedule an appointment to get these calculations done. My husband would have received about $2,800/month at his FRA, so I'm hoping there will be something left after the GPO reduction. It's just so frustrating that they penalize me for receiving his pension when we planned our retirement assuming both income sources would be available.
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Kevin Bell
Sending hugs. Its so hard dealing with all this paperwork when youre grieving.
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Miguel Harvey
•Thank you, that means a lot. It has been overwhelming trying to figure all this out while still processing everything.
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