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Just to clarify an important point about self-employment: While the 45-hour rule isn't relevant for survivor benefits, SSA does have a special test for self-employed people that can be applied in certain circumstances. They can evaluate if you're providing significant services to your business despite low reported income. However, this is primarily applied in situations where there's reason to suspect income manipulation - like a business owner suddenly reporting minimal income after retirement while continuing to work the same hours. For a small flower farm with modest income like yours, this is extremely unlikely to be an issue. Just keep good records, report your income honestly, and you should be fine with your survivor benefits as long as you stay under the annual earnings limit.

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Thank you for that additional information. My farm is very transparent - I sell at local markets and track everything. I'm definitely not making enough to raise any red flags! I appreciate everyone's help - this community has been so informative.

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I work part-time for a local nonprofit while also receiving survivor benefits, and I've been through this exact concern! The key thing to remember is that for survivor benefits, SSA only cares about your earnings, not your hours worked. The confusion often comes from disability benefits (SSDI) where they do have that substantial gainful activity test that looks at hours. For your flower farm, as long as your net self-employment earnings stay under $23,380 for 2025 (assuming you haven't reached full retirement age), you're good to go regardless of whether you work 45 hours or 85 hours a month. Just make sure you're tracking all your legitimate business expenses properly since those reduce your countable income. I'd still recommend calling SSA to confirm for your peace of mind, but based on my experience and what I've learned, your hours shouldn't be an issue at all. Good luck with your flower farm - it sounds lovely!

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Welcome to the community! This has been such an educational thread for me too. I'm actually facing a similar decision timeline and hadn't fully grasped how all these pieces fit together until reading everyone's experiences. Your question about Medicare IRMAA is spot-on and something I think many people overlook in their planning. From what I understand, those IRMAA surcharges can really add up - we're talking potentially $2,000+ per year in additional premiums for higher income brackets. Combined with the 10-year inherited IRA rule that forces distributions, it could create some expensive years down the road. It sounds like the key takeaway from this whole discussion is that while RMDs won't hurt you on the Social Security earnings test (which is great!), they create this ripple effect through Social Security taxation and eventually Medicare premiums that requires some serious long-term planning. Has anyone here worked with a fee-only financial planner who specializes in Social Security optimization? I'm thinking I might need professional help to model out all these scenarios properly.

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Welcome to both of you! As someone who's been lurking in this community for a while, I'm amazed at how much knowledge gets shared here. Your point about fee-only financial planners is really smart - I've been trying to figure all this out on my own but the interactions between Social Security, inherited IRAs, taxation, and Medicare are just so complex. Does anyone have recommendations for planners who really specialize in this area? I'm starting to realize that a few hundred dollars for professional advice could save thousands in the long run, especially with those Medicare IRMAA surcharges you mentioned. The 2-year lookback period for Medicare premiums means decisions I make today about IRA distributions could affect my costs years down the road in ways I might not even anticipate.

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As someone who's been working in retirement planning for over 15 years, I want to echo what many others have said and add a few practical tips. RMDs from inherited IRAs are indeed NOT counted toward the Social Security earnings test - this is unearned income, not wages or self-employment income. However, I'd strongly recommend creating a year-by-year projection that includes: 1. Your expected RMD amounts (which will grow each year) 2. Your Social Security benefit amounts 3. Any other income sources 4. Estimated tax liability including SS taxation thresholds The "combined income" formula for SS taxation is: AGI + nontaxable interest + 50% of SS benefits. Once this hits $25,000 (single) or $32,000 (married filing jointly), up to 50% of benefits are taxable. At $34,000/$44,000, up to 85% becomes taxable. Also consider that with the inherited IRA 10-year rule, you might want to take larger distributions in early years when you have more control, rather than being forced into large distributions later that could push you into higher brackets right when Medicare IRMAA kicks in. Every situation is unique, but having a comprehensive plan that looks at the full picture will serve you much better than trying to optimize each piece separately.

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This is exactly the kind of comprehensive perspective I was hoping to find! Thank you for breaking down the combined income formula so clearly - seeing the actual dollar thresholds really helps me understand what I'm working with. The point about taking larger distributions in early years when I have more control is particularly insightful. I hadn't thought about it that way, but you're absolutely right that waiting could force me into much larger distributions later that coincide with Medicare eligibility and potentially create a perfect storm of higher taxes AND higher Medicare premiums. Do you happen to have any rules of thumb for how to balance the desire to take larger early distributions against the immediate impact on Social Security taxation? I'm trying to figure out if it's better to accept some SS taxation now to avoid bigger problems later, or if there are sweet spots to aim for in terms of combined income levels.

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As someone who just joined this community and is trying to wrap my head around all these complex interactions, I really appreciate your professional perspective! The year-by-year projection approach you mentioned sounds crucial but also pretty overwhelming to tackle on my own. I'm curious - when you're helping clients with this kind of situation, do you generally recommend accepting some Social Security taxation in the early years to smooth out the overall tax burden, or are there specific income "cliff" amounts where it makes sense to stay just below certain thresholds? I'm particularly concerned about accidentally triggering that jump from 50% to 85% Social Security taxation while also setting myself up for Medicare IRMAA problems later. Is there software or tools you'd recommend for someone trying to model these scenarios, or is this really the kind of analysis that requires professional help to get right?

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After reviewing the other comments, I want to add something important: The suspension might be temporary and administrative rather than punitive. When your Medicare enrollment processes at the same time as earnings limit calculations, SSA sometimes places a temporary hold on benefits while their system updates. This doesn't always mean you'll miss a payment. When you call, ask specifically if this is an administrative suspension related to multiple simultaneous changes in your record. If so, it might resolve automatically before your January payment date. Also, confirm whether they're using your estimated earnings from your Medicare enrollment paperwork or if they've received different information that might have triggered this suspension. Sometimes employers report projected annual earnings that differ from what beneficiaries estimate.

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Great advice. I've seen numerous cases where these administrative suspensions resolve themselves before the payment date. It's SSA's system putting a temporary hold while multiple changes process simultaneously. Though it's still worth calling to confirm, as sometimes there are legitimate issues that need addressing.

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I'm going through something similar right now! Just turned 65 in December and my survivor benefits also show a weird status change. In my case, it wasn't suspended but showed "under review" for about 3 weeks before returning to normal. What I learned from calling SSA is that their computer systems often flag accounts when multiple life events happen close together - like turning 65, Medicare enrollment, and having reportable earnings all at once. One thing that might help while you're waiting to call: log into your my Social Security account and check if there are any action items or messages you might have missed. Sometimes they send notifications about required documentation that can cause temporary suspensions if not addressed promptly. Also, if you have direct deposit set up, keep an eye on your bank account around your normal payment date. Even if the online status shows "suspended," the payment might still process normally if it's just a display glitch while their systems update. This happened to my neighbor last year - scary online status but the money still came through on time. Definitely still call on Monday to get it sorted, but don't panic if you see the suspended status over the weekend. These Medicare transition issues are unfortunately common but usually get resolved quickly once you get through to the right department.

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This is really reassuring to hear from someone who just went through the same thing! I didn't think to check for action items in my account - I'll definitely do that now. It makes sense that their system would get confused with all these changes happening at once. Did you end up needing to provide any additional documentation when yours was "under review," or did it resolve on its own? I'm hoping this is just a temporary glitch like yours was.

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Scarlett. Losing a parent is heartbreaking, and having to deal with all these complicated rules and denials while you're grieving just adds insult to injury. Everyone has explained the SSA death benefit rules perfectly - unfortunately, as an adult child living separately, you don't qualify no matter how much you contributed to her care or funeral costs. It's frustrating how rigid these 1950s-era rules are compared to today's family realities. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet: if your mother was receiving Medicare, there might be some medical expenses from her final illness that could still be reimbursed to you if you paid them out of pocket. Sometimes families don't realize they can submit those claims even after the person passes away. It won't be much, but every little bit helps with those overwhelming funeral costs. Also, don't forget to notify the IRS about her passing - if she was due any tax refund for this year, that would go to her estate (which could ultimately benefit you as executor). The $255 amount really is insulting when you consider funeral costs today. You've gotten some great suggestions here about other potential resources. Take care of yourself during this difficult time.

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Thank you so much Nia, that's really helpful advice about the Medicare reimbursements. I did pay for several of her medical expenses out of pocket in those final months, including some prescription costs and medical equipment, so I'll definitely look into submitting those claims. I hadn't realized that was still possible after she passed. Good point about the tax refund too - she did have taxes withheld from her Social Security benefits, so there might be a small refund coming that I hadn't thought about. As executor, every bit helps with settling her estate and covering the remaining expenses. It really has been heartening to see how many people in this community have taken the time to offer practical suggestions and share their own experiences. Even though the original SSA denial was disappointing, I feel like I now have a much better understanding of all the different avenues to explore. The support and knowledge sharing here has made such a difference during what's been an incredibly overwhelming time.

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Scarlett. Having to navigate these bureaucratic hurdles while grieving is incredibly difficult, and I can understand your frustration with the denial. As others have explained thoroughly, the $255 death benefit rules are unfortunately very strict and outdated. Since you maintained your own residence, you wouldn't qualify even though you were her devoted caregiver - the system just doesn't account for modern caregiving arrangements. One additional resource I'd suggest checking: if your mother had any utility accounts (electric, gas, phone), some companies offer small bereavement assistance programs or final bill forgiveness for deceased customers. It's not widely advertised, but a simple phone call explaining the situation sometimes yields unexpected help with those final bills. Also, if she had any subscriptions or memberships (magazines, gyms, streaming services), most will provide prorated refunds for unused portions when you provide a death certificate. These small amounts can add up. You've received excellent advice here about checking for that final month's Social Security payment, forgotten insurance policies, and various organizational benefits. This community really has been incredibly helpful in sharing practical suggestions you wouldn't find in any official handbook. The fact that this $255 benefit hasn't increased since 1954 while funeral costs have skyrocketed is truly shameful policy. You're handling an impossible situation with grace.

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Thank you William, that's such practical advice about utilities and subscriptions - I hadn't thought about asking for bereavement assistance or prorated refunds. My mom had several monthly services that were still running after she passed, so I'll definitely call them with her death certificate to see about getting refunds for the unused portions. Even small amounts will help at this point. You're absolutely right that this community has been incredible in sharing knowledge that you'd never find in official resources. I came here frustrated about the SSA denial but I'm leaving with so many practical suggestions and a much better understanding of all the options available. It's made what felt like an impossible situation feel much more manageable. And yes, the fact that this benefit hasn't been updated in 70 years while funeral costs have increased exponentially is just shameful. Hopefully someday policymakers will modernize these systems to reflect today's realities. Thank you for taking the time to offer such thoughtful suggestions during this difficult time.

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I went through this exact same situation a few years ago when I turned 62! Like everyone else has mentioned, the restricted application strategy unfortunately doesn't work anymore for people born after January 1, 1954. I had the same misconception and was really disappointed when I learned about the deemed filing rules. Since your own benefit at FRA ($2,100) is already higher than what you could get in spousal benefits (50% of your husband's $2,800 = $1,400), you're actually in a pretty good position. The spousal benefit wouldn't help you anyway since your own earned benefit is higher. I ended up waiting until my FRA to claim, and I'm glad I did. The peace of mind of getting my full benefit amount was worth it for me. Just make sure you factor in your health, family longevity, and current financial needs when making your decision. Good luck!

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Thanks for sharing your experience! It's really helpful to hear from someone who went through the same situation. I'm definitely leaning toward waiting until my FRA too, especially since my own benefit is higher than the spousal benefit anyway. Did you find the application process straightforward when you finally filed at your FRA? I'm wondering if I should start gathering documents now or if it's pretty simple when the time comes.

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I'm in a very similar situation and have been researching this extensively! You're right to be confused - there's a lot of outdated information floating around about Social Security strategies that don't work anymore. As others have mentioned, the restricted application strategy ended with the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2015. But here's something that might help with your decision-making: since your own benefit ($2,100 at FRA) is already higher than what you'd get in spousal benefits anyway, you're essentially choosing between taking your reduced benefit now versus your full benefit later (or even larger if you wait until 70). I've been using the SSA's online calculators and also found a really helpful break-even analysis tool on their website. For most people in our situation, if you expect to live past about age 78-80, waiting until FRA usually comes out ahead financially. One thing I'd suggest is creating an account on ssa.gov if you haven't already - you can see your exact benefit estimates at different claiming ages, which might help you make a more informed decision based on your specific numbers rather than estimates.

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This is exactly the kind of detailed analysis I was looking for! I really appreciate you mentioning the SSA online calculators - I hadn't thought to look for break-even analysis tools on their website. That sounds like it would give me much more concrete numbers to work with rather than just guessing. I do have an ssa.gov account but haven't explored all the tools available. The age 78-80 break-even point is really helpful context too, especially since longevity runs in my family. Thanks for taking the time to share such thorough research!

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