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Based on everyone's advice, here's what I recommend you do: 1. Make an appointment with your local SSA office (don't just walk in) 2. Ask specifically for a Technical Expert who specializes in survivor benefits 3. Bring your husband's death certificate, his Social Security statement if you have it, and your marriage certificate 4. Use this specific language: "I need a recalculation of my survivor benefits that includes the delayed retirement credits my husband earned between his FRA at 66 and his death at 69" 5. Request a written explanation of the calculation they provide If you continue to face resistance, you have the right to file for a reconsideration or even appeal the decision. But hopefully, speaking with the right specialist will resolve this without further steps.

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Thank you for these clear steps! I'll follow them exactly. I've already called and made an appointment for next Tuesday. I'm bringing all the documents you mentioned plus I found my husband's last Social Security statement from right before he passed, which shows the increased amount with his delayed credits. Fingers crossed this gets resolved!

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Dylan. What you're experiencing is unfortunately very common - many SSA representatives don't properly calculate survivor benefits when delayed retirement credits are involved. You are absolutely right to question this! Your survivor benefit should be based on 100% of what your husband would have received at age 69, INCLUDING his delayed retirement credits. Since he waited 3 years past his FRA (66), he earned 8% per year in DRCs, which means his benefit should be about 24% higher than his FRA amount. Here's what I'd suggest: When you go back, specifically ask them to show you the calculation on paper. Ask to see both the PIA (Primary Insurance Amount) at his FRA AND the amount with delayed retirement credits included. If they can't or won't do this, ask to speak with a supervisor or Technical Expert. Also, keep in mind that if you're planning to wait until your own FRA to claim, you should receive 100% of his benefit amount (with DRCs included). The fact that multiple reps are giving you the same lower figure suggests they're all making the same systematic error in their calculations. Don't give up - this could mean hundreds of dollars per month for the rest of your life!

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This is such helpful advice, thank you! I really appreciate you taking the time to explain this so clearly. You're right that it seems like multiple reps are making the same systematic error. I'm going to ask them to show me the calculation on paper - that's a great suggestion I hadn't thought of. It's reassuring to know that I'm not crazy for questioning this and that the delayed retirement credits should definitely be included. The thought of potentially losing hundreds of dollars every month for the rest of my life is what's driving me to keep pushing on this!

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I'm in a very similar situation - turning 62 soon and trying to figure out the best strategy for me and my spouse. From everything I've read here and other places, it sounds like if you claim early and pass away before your FRA, your wife would generally get your reduced benefit amount as her survivor benefit. One thing that might help is to create a simple spreadsheet comparing different scenarios - like what you'd both receive if you claim at 62 vs 65 vs 67, factoring in your health, life expectancy, and how much you both need the income now vs later. Also consider that your wife can claim survivor benefits as early as 60 (though at a reduced rate) regardless of when you claimed. The math gets complicated but the peace of mind of knowing you've made the right decision for both of you is worth taking the time to really understand it. Good luck with whatever you decide!

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This is really smart advice about creating a spreadsheet to compare scenarios! I hadn't thought about mapping out all the different possibilities like that. You're right that the peace of mind is worth the extra effort to really understand it. I'm definitely going to try putting together some numbers based on what everyone has shared here - especially looking at what my wife might get at different ages vs what we need for current expenses. Thanks for the practical suggestion!

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As someone who worked for SSA for over 15 years before retiring, I can confirm that this is one of the most misunderstood aspects of Social Security planning. The key thing to understand is that when you file for early retirement benefits, you're essentially "locking in" a reduced benefit amount that will affect survivor benefits. However, there are some nuances that haven't been fully covered here. The survivor benefit calculation uses something called the "RIB-LIM" (Retirement Insurance Benefit Limit) which can sometimes provide a slightly higher benefit than just your reduced amount. Also, if you die within 12 months of first receiving benefits, there are special provisions that might apply. My advice? Get your official benefit estimates from SSA (you can do this online at ssa.gov) and run the numbers for different claiming ages. Consider not just the monthly amounts, but the total lifetime benefits for both of you. Sometimes claiming early still makes sense if you have health concerns or immediate financial needs, even with the impact on survivor benefits. The most important thing is to make an informed decision based on YOUR specific situation, not general rules. Every couple's circumstances are different.

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This is incredibly valuable insight from someone with actual SSA experience! I really appreciate you mentioning the RIB-LIM calculation and the 12-month provision - those are details I hadn't seen anywhere else. It's reassuring to hear from someone who actually worked with these cases that sometimes early claiming can still make sense depending on the situation. I'm definitely going to get those official estimates from ssa.gov and run through the numbers more carefully. Thank you for taking the time to share your expertise - it's exactly the kind of informed perspective I was hoping to find here!

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Don't forget to track your earnings carefully throughout the year. SSA won't necessarily warn you when you're approaching the limit - they often just discover it when earnings are reported and then send you an overpayment notice later. I recommend creating a spreadsheet to monitor your monthly income against the limit, especially since you'll both have variable income from part-time and consulting work.

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That's excellent advice. I'll definitely set up a tracking system. Do you know if they count gross earnings or net after business expenses for my wife's consulting work?

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Kylo Ren

For self-employment income (your wife's consulting work), SSA counts net earnings from self-employment - that's her gross income minus allowable business expenses and the employer-equivalent portion of self-employment tax. For your W-2 income, they count gross wages before any deductions.

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm in a similar situation - turning 65 next year and planning to work part-time. One thing I learned from my financial advisor is that you should also consider notifying SSA if your income changes significantly during the year. They have a form (SSA-723) where you can report estimated earnings, and they'll adjust your benefits accordingly instead of waiting until the end of the year and potentially creating an overpayment situation. It's much better to have them withhold benefits proactively than to owe money back later. The form is available online and can save you a lot of headaches!

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Thanks for mentioning Form SSA-723! As someone new to all this Social Security stuff, I had no idea that form existed. It sounds like it could really help avoid the overpayment nightmare that others have mentioned here. Do you know how often you can update your estimated earnings with that form? Like if my wife's consulting work picks up more than expected mid-year, can we submit a revised estimate?

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To answer your follow-up questions about bonuses and timing: 1. For year-end bonuses: Under Social Security rules, bonuses count when they're earned, not when they're paid. However, a year-end performance bonus is typically considered earned when it's paid. So if your husband receives a bonus in December 2025, that would likely count toward December's earnings. 2. Regarding starting benefits in January 2026: If he begins benefits in January 2026, that becomes his "grace year" and he can use the monthly earnings test for all of 2026. This means he could earn any amount in January-November but still receive benefits for any month he earns under the monthly limit (which will be slightly higher in 2026 due to COLA). These earnings test rules are genuinely confusing, so it's smart to plan carefully. I'd recommend scheduling an appointment with SSA about 3-4 months before your husband plans to retire to discuss your specific situation.

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Thank you so much for this detailed explanation! Based on everyone's advice, I think we'll have him retire in December 2025 and start benefits in January 2026. That way, we can use the monthly earnings test throughout 2026 as he transitions to part-time consulting work. I really appreciate everyone's help with this complicated topic. We'll definitely schedule that appointment with SSA to confirm our understanding before making any final decisions.

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Just wanted to add one more consideration for your planning - if your husband does any consulting work after retirement, make sure he understands how self-employment income is treated under the earnings test. Self-employment income counts when it's earned (not when paid), but there's also a "substantial services" test. Even if his monthly earnings are under the limit, if SSA determines he's performing "substantial services" in self-employment, he could still lose benefits for that month. Generally, working more than 45 hours per month in self-employment is considered substantial, but it can be less depending on the type of work and other factors. This is another good reason to discuss his specific post-retirement plans with SSA when you schedule that appointment. Good luck with your planning! It sounds like you're being very thoughtful about optimizing your household Social Security strategy.

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As someone who just started receiving Social Security benefits last month, this thread has been absolutely invaluable! I woke up this morning in a complete panic when my payment wasn't in my account at the usual time. Being so new to this system, I had no idea that processing delays could occasionally happen and I immediately thought I'd somehow done something wrong with my paperwork or that there was an issue with my eligibility. Reading everyone's experiences here has been such a huge relief - knowing that today's delay affected so many people and wasn't just my account makes me feel so much better. My payment finally arrived about 2 hours ago, roughly 3.5 hours later than normal, which seems to match what others experienced. I'm also completely locked out of my MySocialSecurity account and had absolutely no clue about this Login.gov transition until reading this discussion. Like so many others here, I never received any email or notification about this major system change, which is really frustrating when you're trying to learn how to manage your new benefits online. The step-by-step instructions that several community members have shared for setting up the Login.gov account are going to be incredibly helpful - I plan to follow them tonight. Thank you to everyone, especially the long-time Social Security recipients, for taking the time to explain what's happening and sharing practical solutions. This community support makes navigating these government systems so much less overwhelming for newcomers like me!

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Welcome to the Social Security community, Nia! Your experience today sounds exactly like what I went through when I first started receiving benefits - that initial panic when something doesn't go as expected is so real, especially when you're still learning how the system works. I'm really glad this thread helped calm your nerves and that your payment came through safely, even if it was delayed. The 3.5 hour delay you experienced is right in line with what everyone else reported today, so it definitely confirms this was a widespread processing issue rather than individual account problems. It's such a relief to have that confirmation! The Login.gov situation is incredibly frustrating - I can't believe how many of us never got proper notification about such a major change. It really makes you wonder how they expect people to stay informed about their benefits when the communication is so poor. The community members here have been amazing though - I've learned more about navigating these systems from this discussion than from any official SSA communications. Following those step-by-step Login.gov instructions should get you back into your account smoothly. Don't hesitate to come back and ask questions as you continue learning the ropes - everyone here is so helpful and understanding about the learning curve that comes with managing Social Security benefits!

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I'm also new to Social Security and this entire discussion has been a lifesaver today! Like so many others here, I was completely panicking this morning when my payment didn't arrive on schedule. Being only my third month receiving benefits, I had no idea that processing delays could happen and immediately feared the worst - that my benefits had been cut off or there was some error with my account. My payment finally showed up about 4 hours late, which seems consistent with everyone else's experience today. I'm also dealing with the Login.gov account mess and never received any notification about the system change either. It's really unacceptable how poorly SSA communicated this major transition, especially to people who are new to the system and still trying to figure everything out. Thank you to all the experienced community members who've shared such detailed and helpful advice about both the payment delays and the account access issues. The step-by-step Login.gov instructions are going to be so useful. It's amazing how much more I've learned from this one thread than from any official SSA communication. This community support makes such a difference when you're trying to navigate these complex government systems for the first time!

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