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Bottom line: Stay on SSDI until your Full Retirement Age (67). At that point, your SSDI automatically converts to retirement benefits at the same amount. If you want to try working before then, use the work incentives designed for SSDI recipients (Trial Work Period, etc.) rather than switching to early retirement. The permanent reduction from taking early retirement almost never makes financial sense for someone already receiving SSDI.

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Thank you all for the advice! I'm definitely going to stay on SSDI until 67 based on what everyone has shared. I'll check out both the Ticket to Work program and contact a WIPA counselor to understand exactly how I can safely try working part-time. Really appreciate all the detailed information!

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Just wanted to add another important consideration - if you do decide to explore work options while on SSDI, make sure to keep detailed records of ALL your earnings and work activities. The SSA uses something called "countable income" which isn't always the same as what you actually receive. For example, if you're self-employed, they look at your net earnings from self-employment after business expenses. Also, some types of income don't count toward the SGA limit (like certain disability-related work expenses). I learned this the hard way when I had to provide documentation going back months during a review. Having everything organized from day one makes the process much smoother if you get questioned later.

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This is such important advice about record keeping! I'm just starting to think about maybe trying some part-time work and hadn't even considered how complicated the documentation might be. Do you have any recommendations for what kind of records to keep? Like should I be tracking hours worked, gross vs net pay, any accommodations my employer makes? I want to make sure I'm prepared from the beginning rather than scrambling later if they ask questions.

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@Connor O'Neill Absolutely! Here's what I recommend tracking from day one: 1) All pay stubs/earnings statements (gross AND net), 2) Hours worked each month, 3) Any work-related accommodations or modifications your employer provides, 4) Business expenses if self-employed, 5) Any unpaid time off due to your disability, and 6) Documentation of any Impairment Related Work Expenses (IRWE) like special equipment or transportation. I keep a simple spreadsheet with monthly totals plus a folder for all the physical documents. The WIPA counselor @Abigail Spencer mentioned can also help you understand what specific documentation SSA might want for your situation. Better to have too much info than not enough when they come asking!

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Just wanted to add one more consideration - since you mentioned your husband said "we'll have plenty saved" but that didn't pan out, make sure you factor in your spouse's Social Security situation too if applicable. If your husband is still working or hasn't claimed yet, coordinating both of your claiming strategies could maximize your combined household benefits. Also, if you're married and your husband has passed away, you might be eligible for survivor benefits that could be higher than your own benefit. It's worth asking SSA about spousal/survivor benefit optimization when you call them. Sometimes couples can use strategies like "claim and suspend" or file and restrict to squeeze out every dollar possible from the system.

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This is really important advice about spousal benefits! I actually haven't looked into that angle at all. My husband is 71 and has been collecting his Social Security for a few years now. I honestly don't know much about how our benefits interact with each other or if there are any strategies we missed. When I call SSA, I'll definitely ask about this - it sounds like there might be some optimization opportunities we never considered. Thanks for bringing this up!

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I'm 72 and went through a very similar situation! Took SS at 62 due to health issues, then went back to work part-time at 69. Here's what I learned: Yes, those SS deductions are normal and they DO help your benefit amount, but probably not by much given your current earnings vs. your construction years. The real opportunity is suspension - I wish I had known about it earlier! One thing to consider: if you suspend benefits and return to full-time work, make sure you have a realistic backup plan. I tried going back full-time at 70 but my body just couldn't handle it anymore, even in an office job. The 8% annual increase is fantastic, but only if you can actually make it work physically and financially. Maybe test out a few months of full-time work while still collecting benefits (since there's no earnings limit at your age) before making the suspension decision? That way you can see how your body handles it without losing your safety net.

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This is such practical advice! I really like your suggestion about testing full-time work while still collecting benefits first - that's brilliant and something I hadn't considered. You're absolutely right that I should see how my body handles it before giving up my safety net. At 68, I'm definitely more realistic about my physical limitations than I was in my younger years. The construction work really did a number on my joints, so even office work might be more challenging than I expect. I'll probably try picking up some extra hours at the hardware store first to see how I feel, then maybe look into that office position my son mentioned. Thanks for the reality check along with the encouragement!

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As a newcomer to this community and someone approaching retirement age myself, this thread has been incredibly eye-opening! I had no idea these Social Security phishing scams were so prevalent and sophisticated. The timing aspect you experienced, Landon, would have completely freaked me out too - it's such a relief to hear from multiple people (including an actual SSA employee) that this is just an unfortunate coincidence and not a sign of a security breach. The practical advice here is invaluable - I'm writing down all the red flags everyone mentioned: exclamation points in subject lines, urgent language like "Check Now!!", direct clickable links, and anything that doesn't come from an official @ssa.gov address. The fact that legitimate SSA communications only go through the message center and are always formal in tone is something I definitely wouldn't have known otherwise. Thank you to everyone who shared their experiences and expertise. This is exactly the kind of knowledge-sharing that makes online communities so valuable, especially for those of us navigating these major life transitions for the first time!

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Welcome to the community, Andre! I'm also relatively new here and found this thread to be such a valuable learning experience. It's amazing how much practical knowledge gets shared in discussions like this. What really stood out to me was how the scammers seem to exploit that vulnerable moment right after applying when you're already anxious about the process. The fact that multiple experienced members and even an SSA employee confirmed this is just coincidental timing really helps put things in perspective. I'm definitely going to be much more cautious about any emails I receive once I start my application process. Thanks for summarizing all those red flags - having them in one place makes it so much easier to remember what to watch out for!

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As someone who's new to this community and will likely be applying for Social Security benefits in the coming months, this entire discussion has been incredibly educational! I can't imagine how alarming it must have been to receive that suspicious email so soon after submitting your application, Landon. The timing really would make anyone panic. What I find most valuable about this thread is how it shows the importance of community knowledge-sharing. Between the experienced members explaining the red flags and Melissa from the actual SSA office confirming the official protocols, I now feel much better prepared to handle these situations if they arise. The key takeaways I'm noting are: never click links in emails claiming to be from SSA, always go directly to ssa.gov, look for formal language and @ssa.gov addresses, and remember that legitimate communications come through the message center. It's unfortunate that scammers target people during such important life transitions, but knowing what to expect makes all the difference. Thank you to everyone who contributed their experiences and expertise - this is exactly why communities like this are so valuable!

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Welcome to the community, Amara! I'm also fairly new here and this thread has been such an incredible resource. What strikes me most is how these scammers seem to specifically prey on people during major life transitions when we're already feeling anxious and vulnerable. The fact that Landon received that phishing email just hours after applying really shows how these criminals try to exploit our heightened emotional state. I'm particularly grateful for all the specific red flags everyone has identified - the exclamation points, urgent language, suspicious timing, and fake domains. Having Melissa from the actual SSA office confirm the official protocols gives me so much confidence about how to handle these situations. The advice about always typing ssa.gov directly instead of clicking any email links is something I definitely wouldn't have thought of on my own. It's reassuring to know that there are experienced community members here who are willing to share their knowledge and help newcomers like us navigate these challenges safely. This discussion should honestly be pinned as essential reading for anyone approaching retirement!

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As a newcomer to this community, I'm finding this thread incredibly helpful! I'm in a similar situation as Madison - working in education (I'm a substitute teacher) and trying to figure out Social Security timing. One thing that might be worth exploring is whether your school district participates in any Social Security Administration outreach programs. Some districts actually bring SSA representatives on-site during benefits enrollment periods to help employees understand how their specific employment situation affects Social Security benefits. If your district doesn't offer this, you might suggest it to your union representative or HR department - they often have collective bargaining power to request these kinds of educational sessions. Also, I've learned that some school employee unions have partnered with financial advisors who specialize in education sector retirement planning. They understand the unique challenges like 9-month work schedules, summer layoffs, and how different pension systems interact with Social Security. It might be worth checking if your local bus drivers' union or education association offers any retirement planning resources specifically tailored to school transportation workers. The generic Social Security advice is helpful, but having someone who understands the nuances of school employment could be invaluable for your specific situation!

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Welcome! That's fantastic advice about checking with your union or district for specialized retirement planning resources. As someone just starting to learn about Social Security myself, I'm really curious about those SSA outreach programs you mentioned. Do they typically cover the specific earnings test scenarios that school employees face, or is it more general retirement planning? I'm also wondering if anyone here has experience with education-focused financial advisors and whether they're significantly more helpful than general retirement planners when it comes to these unique school employment situations. The substitute teaching angle you mentioned is interesting too - that probably creates even more complexity with irregular income patterns compared to the bus driver's steady monthly payments. Have you found any good resources specifically for education workers with non-traditional schedules? It seems like there should be more specialized guidance available given how common these employment patterns are in school districts!

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As a newcomer to this community, I wanted to add something that might be helpful for your situation, Madison. I've been researching Social Security timing myself and learned about something called the "first-year monthly test" that could potentially work in your favor as a school bus driver. If you decide to claim benefits mid-year (say, in June when school ends), Social Security will use a monthly earnings test for the remainder of that calendar year instead of the annual test. The monthly limit for 2025 is $1,860 - so if you could arrange to not receive any paychecks during the summer months (June-August) by switching to the 9-month payment schedule, you might be able to collect full Social Security benefits for those months even if your total annual earnings exceed the yearly limit. This would only work for your first year of claiming benefits, but it could be a way to "test the waters" and see how the earnings test affects your specific situation. Of course, you'd need to weigh this against any loss of summer health benefits or other considerations, but it's another strategic option to explore. Have you had a chance to ask your payroll department about the flexibility of switching payment schedules mid-year?

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Welcome to the community! That's a really smart strategy about using the first-year monthly test - I hadn't thought about timing the switch to 9-month payments to coincide with claiming benefits mid-year. As someone new here and trying to understand all these Social Security rules, I'm curious about the logistics of making that kind of mid-year payment schedule change. Would you typically need to make that switch at the start of a school year, or do some districts allow changes during the year? Also, I'm wondering if there are any tax implications to consider when switching payment schedules - like would bunching more of your income into fewer months affect your tax bracket or eligibility for other benefits? The monthly test strategy sounds promising, but I imagine the timing would need to be coordinated pretty carefully with both the school district's policies and Social Security's rules. Has anyone here actually executed a strategy like this, or know someone who has? It would be great to hear about real-world experience with these kinds of coordinated timing decisions!

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I'm new to this community but have been following Social Security rules closely as I approach retirement myself. Based on everything I've researched and what others have confirmed here, your PTO payout definitely counts toward your 2025 earnings limit since you received it in 2025, regardless of when it was actually earned. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet that might be helpful - if you're using tax software like TurboTax or working with a tax preparer this year, make sure to mention your Social Security situation to them early. They can help you plan for the tax implications of having both SS benefits and work income, and some of the newer software versions actually have calculators that can help you model different earning scenarios throughout the year. Also, since you're being so methodical about tracking (which is smart!), consider setting up a simple alert on your phone for the last day of each month to update your earnings tracker. It only takes a few minutes but keeps you from falling behind on the math when you're busy with work and life. The $23,400 limit really doesn't leave much room for error, especially after that PTO payout, so staying on top of it monthly rather than trying to catch up quarterly will save you stress later.

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This is really helpful advice about involving tax software/preparers early! I hadn't thought about how having both SS benefits and work income would complicate my tax situation, but you're absolutely right that I should get ahead of that now rather than being surprised at tax time. The monthly phone alert idea is genius too - I can see how easy it would be to let the tracking slide and then panic when you realize you haven't been keeping up with the math. With only $17,600 left to work with after my PTO payout (assuming it was $5,800 like I mentioned earlier), there really isn't much margin for error. Setting up that monthly check-in will definitely help me stay on track and avoid any nasty surprises later in the year. Thanks for the practical suggestions!

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I'm also dealing with the earnings limit as a newer Social Security recipient, and this thread has been incredibly helpful! I wanted to add one more resource that might help - the SSA has a specific publication called "How Work Affects Your Benefits" (Publication No. 05-10069) that goes into detail about the earnings test. You can download it for free from their website and it's much clearer than trying to navigate their main site. One thing I learned from my own experience is to also keep track of any state taxes that might be withheld from your Social Security benefits. Some states tax SS benefits and some don't, but it's another factor to consider when you're budgeting with both work income and benefits. Also, since you mentioned you're 65 and not yet at FRA, remember that the earnings limit increases significantly in the year you reach full retirement age (it goes up to $62,160 for 2025), and they only count earnings before the month you actually reach FRA. So depending on when your birthday is, you might have more flexibility later in the year you turn your full retirement age. Just something to keep in mind for future planning!

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Thank you for mentioning that SSA publication! I'm definitely going to download "How Work Affects Your Benefits" - it sounds like exactly what I need to understand all the nuances of the earnings test. Having an official resource that's actually written in clear language would be so much better than trying to piece together information from different parts of their website. Your point about state taxes on Social Security benefits is something I hadn't even considered yet. I'm in a state that doesn't tax SS benefits, but it's a good reminder that there are so many different factors to juggle when you're collecting benefits and still working. And wow, I didn't realize the earnings limit jumps up so much in the year you reach FRA! That's really encouraging to know. My birthday is in November, so if I understand correctly, I'd have that higher $62,160 limit for the whole year when I turn my full retirement age, and then no limit at all starting the month I actually turn FRA? That gives me something to look forward to and helps with longer-term planning. Thanks for sharing all these details!

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