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Alice Coleman

Help calculating indexed earnings for Social Security benefits after returning to workforce post-FRA

I'm trying to build a personalized Excel spreadsheet to model my Social Security benefits more accurately than the SSA calculator allows. Specifically, I want to see what would happen if I stop working for about 3 years and then return to the workforce after my Full Retirement Age (67), but delay benefits until 70. The SSA website gives estimates, but doesn't let me model these specific scenarios. I have my earnings history downloaded, but I'm stuck on how to properly index my past earnings. Does anyone know the formula or process for calculating the wage-indexed earnings from actual earnings? I understand there's some inflation adjustment and then averaging of the top 35 years, but I can't figure out exactly how SSA translates my actual historical earnings into indexed earnings. I'm especially confused about how they handle years with no income when calculating the AIME (Average Indexed Monthly Earnings). Any Excel wizards out there who've cracked this code?

I created something similar last year! For indexing earnings, you need the Average Wage Index (AWI) series from SSA's website. The formula is: Indexed Earnings = Actual Earnings × (AWI for the year you turn 60 ÷ AWI for the earnings year) The trick is earnings after age 60 don't get indexed - they're counted at face value. For the AIME calculation, you take your highest 35 years of indexed earnings (including zeros if you don't have 35 years), add them up, divide by 420 (months in 35 years). Your scenario is interesting because working after FRA but before 70 can replace lower-earning years in your top 35, potentially increasing your benefit. The delayed retirement credits (8% per year from FRA to 70) apply regardless of whether you're working.

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Thank you! This is exactly what I needed. So if I understand correctly, I'll use the AWI ratio to index all earnings before age 60, then use actual dollar amounts for earnings after 60? Do you happen to know where on the SSA website I can find the historical AWI table?

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Correct, everything before 60 gets indexed, after 60 is face value. The AWI data is here: https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/AWI.html One more calculation detail - after you get your AIME, you need to apply the bend points formula to calculate your PIA (Primary Insurance Amount). For 2025, the bend points are approximately $1,174 and $7,078 (they adjust each year). You multiply the first $1,174 of AIME by 90%, then the amount between $1,174-$7,078 by 32%, and anything above $7,078 by 15%. That gives you your monthly benefit at FRA, before any reductions or delayed retirement credits.

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i did the same thing but used software. way easier than spreadsheet. good luck with all the math LOL

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What software did you use? I'd prefer building my own spreadsheet so I can tweak all the variables, but I'm open to other options if they're flexible enough.

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used maximizemysocialsecurity.com. costs money but does all the math for u. lets u try diff scenarios too

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When I tried calling Social Security to ask similar questions about calculations, I spent days trying to reach someone who could help. Constantly getting busy signals or disconnected after waiting on hold forever. I finally used Claimyr.com to get through - it holds your place in line and calls you when an agent is available. Saved me tons of time and frustration. They have a video that shows how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU The SSA agent I spoke with explained that working after FRA can definitely increase benefits if those earnings replace lower-earning years in your top 35. They also sent me a detailed explanation of the indexing formula that was super helpful for my spreadsheet.

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Does that service actually work?? I spent 2 hours on hold last month before giving up. How long did it take for you to get a callback?

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I got a callback in about 45 minutes. Way better than the 2+ hours I spent on previous attempts! The agent I spoke with was really helpful with the indexing questions too, which was surprising since not all agents understand the calculation details.

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I'm a retired financial planner who built many SS calculation spreadsheets. Let me add some important nuances: 1. For your specific scenario (stopping work then resuming after FRA), be aware that any years with zero earnings can significantly impact your benefit if they end up in your top 35 years. 2. When modeling your return to work, remember that earnings are credited in the year earned, not when you file. So working age 67-70 while delaying benefits gives you both the earnings record improvement AND the 8% per year delayed retirement credits. 3. The PIA calculation uses the bend points from the year you turn 62, not the year you claim benefits. This is a common misconception. 4. For the most accurate modeling, you'll need to include projected COLA increases. Historically, these have averaged around 2.6%, but recent years have been much higher. Feel free to ask if you need help with specific Excel formulas for any of these calculations.

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This is incredibly helpful! I hadn't considered using the bend points from age 62 rather than claim age - that would have thrown off my calculations. One question: when projecting future earnings (for the years I haven't worked yet), should I adjust those for inflation or just use today's dollars?

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Great question. For earnings projections, it's best to use nominal dollars (including inflation) rather than today's dollars. The reason is that the AWI indexing and bend points adjustments are designed to account for wage growth over time. So if you expect your earnings to keep pace with general wage growth, project increases of around 3-4% annually. If you expect your earnings to grow faster or slower than average wages, adjust accordingly. Remember that for years after age 60, actual dollar amounts are used (no indexing), so those inflation adjustments will directly impact your benefit calculation.

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Anyone know if SSA publishes the actual code or algorithms they use? Seems like they should make this public so we don't all have to reverse engineer it!

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They don't publish the actual code, but the detailed calculation methodology is all documented in their Program Operations Manual System (POMS). You can find it here: https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/subchapterlist!openview&restricttocategory=03028 Be warned though - it's extremely technical and written for SSA employees, not the general public.

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I STILL don't understand why this is so complicated!!!! WHY can't Social Security just have a calculator where I can put in "not working these years" and "working these years" and it tells me my benefit??? I spent HOURS trying to figure this out and gave up. The whole system feels designed to be confusing on purpose so we don't know what we're entitled to. SO FRUSTRATING!!!!

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I feel your frustration! The official calculators are pretty basic. I think it's because they'd need to maintain too many variables to account for everyone's unique situation. But I agree they could do much better. The good news is that once you understand the formula (like the folks above explained), it's actually pretty straightforward - just tedious to calculate manually. The hardest part is finding all the historical AWI data and bend points, but at least that's all published.

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It shouldn't be this hard to plan retirement!!! I just want to know how much money I'll get if I stop working at 63 vs 65 vs 67. Is that really too much to ask??? Sorry for yelling but this whole process makes me so mad. I'm trying to make life decisions based on this!

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This thread is so timely for me! I'm building almost the exact same spreadsheet. One thing I've discovered in my research: make sure you're using the correct Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) formula. The current formula has been in place since 1979, but they've used different formulas in the past. Also, don't forget the earnings limit if you plan to claim before your FRA but continue working. In 2025, you lose $1 in benefits for every $2 you earn above $22,750 (if you're under FRA for the full year). After FRA, there's no earnings limit, which makes your strategy of working between FRA and 70 particularly smart!

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Thanks for the tip about the earnings limit. I'm actually planning to stop working before FRA, take a few years off, then return to work after FRA while delaying benefits to 70. So the earnings limit shouldn't affect me. Have you figured out a good way to model COLA increases in your spreadsheet? I'm wondering if I should just apply an estimated annual percentage to the calculated benefit amount.

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For COLA, I created a variable cell where I can input different assumptions. Currently using 2.5% as my baseline, but I can easily change it to see different scenarios. I apply it to the calculated benefit starting from age 62 (when the PIA is first determined) through the projection period. My spreadsheet has separate columns showing the benefit amount each year with and without COLA so I can see the impact. Over a 20-30 year retirement, even small COLA differences compound significantly!

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This is such a valuable discussion! I'm in a similar boat trying to model my SS benefits. One thing I'd add for anyone building these spreadsheets - don't forget about the WEP (Windfall Elimination Provision) if you have a pension from work where you didn't pay Social Security taxes. It can significantly reduce your benefit calculation. Also, I found it helpful to build in a "what-if" section where I can quickly test different retirement ages and earnings scenarios. The key insight from this thread is that working after FRA while delaying benefits is actually a double win - you get higher earnings in your top 35 years AND the 8% delayed retirement credits. @Alice Coleman - if you get your spreadsheet working, would you be willing to share a template version? I'd be happy to do the same once I get mine finished. It seems like there's real demand for a more flexible tool than what SSA provides.

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