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Genevieve Cavalier

Need detailed Social Security benefit calculation formulas beyond SSA website - any resources?

I'm trying to create my own spreadsheets to understand exactly how my Social Security benefits will be calculated under different scenarios, but I'm finding the SSA website too simplified. Does anyone know of resources (books, websites, etc.) that provide the actual formulas and criteria the SSA uses? I want to run different scenarios with: - Varying income years (including zero-income years) - Different retirement ages - Spousal benefit calculations - Benefits for my special needs child I'm comfortable creating the spreadsheets myself, but I need to understand all the inputs and exact formulas. Why are these calculations so hard to find? It feels like the SSA deliberately keeps their formularies and criteria hidden. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated!

Ethan Scott

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The book I always recommend is "Social Security Made Simple" by Mike Piper. It explains the benefit formulas in detail, including PIA calculations, family maximum benefit formulas, and the impact of different retirement ages. He also has a blog called Oblivious Investor where he explains many of these concepts further. For even more technical detail, check out the SSA's Program Operations Manual System (POMS) at https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/Home?readform - it's the actual internal manual SSA employees use. Not user-friendly at all, but contains every detail if you're willing to dig.

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Thank you! I'll definitely look into Mike Piper's book. And thanks for the POMS link - even if it's not user-friendly, having access to the actual internal manual might be exactly what I need. Have you actually used these resources to build your own calculation tools?

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Lola Perez

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They're not "guarded" its just complicated stuff most people dont want to bother with lol. The basic formula is on their site but yeah it doesnt do all the different scenarios

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Actually, the formulas ARE on their website if you look hard enough. The bend points are published every year. The issue isn't that they're hiding anything, it's that there are so many EXCEPTIONS to every rule depending on your situation. Every special circumstance (disability, special needs dependents, government pension offset) changes how things are calculated.

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Riya Sharma

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I've worked extensively with Social Security calculations for years as a financial planner. Beyond what's already been mentioned, I'd recommend: 1. "Social Security Strategies" by William Reichenstein and William Meyer - very detailed on calculations 2. The Social Security Timing software (there's a fee) - financial advisors use this 3. For the special needs child component specifically, look at "Special Needs Planning" by Thomas Brinker The calculations aren't actually guarded, they're publicly available, but they're incredibly complex. The bend points change annually, and there are multiple adjustment factors for early/delayed filing, family maximum calculations, WEP/GPO adjustments, etc. For your spreadsheet, you'll need to understand: - AIME (Average Indexed Monthly Earnings) calculation - PIA (Primary Insurance Amount) formula with bend points - Reduction factors for early filing (5/9% and 5/12%) - Delayed retirement credits (8% per year) - Family Maximum Benefit formula (has its own separate bend points) - Deemed filing rules if you're post-2015 Happy to answer specific questions if you hit roadblocks with your calculations.

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This is extremely helpful! I didn't realize there were special bend points for the Family Maximum Benefit - that would explain why some of my previous attempts at calculations weren't matching examples I found. I'll check out those resources. Quick follow-up: for the special needs child benefit calculations, are there specific earnings tests or other factors that differ from regular child benefits that I should be aware of?

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Santiago Diaz

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I tried to figure this out too and GAVE UP!!! The whole system seems DESIGNED to confuse us. Called SSA 14 TIMES trying to get someone to explain how my disabled adult child's benefits would be calculated and either got disconnected or told different things EVERY SINGLE TIME!!! The worst was when I finally got through after 2 HOURS on hold and the agent told me she "wasn't allowed" to give me the formula!!! What are they hiding???

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Millie Long

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I had the same terrible experience trying to get through to SSA about my disabled son's benefits. After weeks of failed calls, I finally used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me through to an agent in under 10 minutes. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU They connected me with an agent who was actually knowledgeable about the Disabled Adult Child benefit calculations. Saved me so much frustration. The agent explained that benefits for disabled adult children are 50% of your PIA while you're alive and 75% of your PIA after you pass away, subject to the family maximum.

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KaiEsmeralda

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i use maximize my social security website they have paid version that lets you enter all different scenarios and they show results not the actual formulas tho

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Thanks! I've seen that site mentioned elsewhere. Do you know if it specifically handles calculations for disabled adult children? That's one of my more complex scenarios.

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Ethan Scott

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To follow up on your special needs child question: It depends on whether your child is qualified as a Disabled Adult Child (DAC). If so, they can receive benefits based on your record equal to 50% of your PIA while you're collecting, or 75% if they're collecting survivor benefits after your death. The complexity comes with the Family Maximum Benefit (FMB) calculation, which limits the total benefits payable on one worker's record. The FMB formula has its own set of bend points separate from the PIA calculation. The other critical thing to understand is that for a special needs child, you need to be aware of the interplay between SSI, SSDI, Medicare and Medicaid. The calculations aren't just about maximizing the dollar amount, but also ensuring continued healthcare coverage.

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Santiago Diaz

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But be CAREFUL with DAC benefits! If your disabled adult child EVER works enough to earn SGA (substantial gainful activity - $1,550/month in 2025) they can PERMANENTLY LOSE their DAC benefits!!! Our benefits planner never told us this and my son almost lost everything when he got a part-time job!!!

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The Social Security Administration publishes their Annual Statistical Supplement which contains all the formulas and tables. You can find it here: https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/statcomps/supplement/ It's not exactly light reading but it has everything you're looking for.

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Lola Perez

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wow thats really detailed! never seen that before gonna check it out myself

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Thank you all for the incredible resources! I've ordered the Mike Piper book and am going through the POMS documentation (which is indeed as unfriendly as warned). The Annual Statistical Supplement is also proving very helpful. I'm realizing this is more complex than I initially thought, especially with the family maximum calculations and the special considerations for my child. I'm particularly concerned about that SGA limit mentioned for DAC benefits - definitely need to model that scenario carefully. For those who might find this thread later, I'll try to share my spreadsheet once I've got it working properly with all these variables. Thanks again for all the help!

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Riya Sharma

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That's great to hear! One last tip: the Social Security Administration actually has a detailed document called "Benefit Calculation Examples For Workers Retiring In 2025" that walks through several detailed examples. It changes yearly with the new bend points, and includes step-by-step calculations. Search for that exact phrase on their site and it should come up. Would be perfect for validating your spreadsheet calculations.

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Luca Russo

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As someone who's been down this rabbit hole before, I'd also recommend checking out the Social Security Administration's "Red Book" - specifically the 2025 version. It's their comprehensive guide to work incentives and contains detailed information about how earnings affect benefits, especially important for your special needs child scenario. One thing I learned the hard way: when building your spreadsheet, make sure to account for the fact that Social Security uses a very specific method for indexing earnings to current dollars using the Average Wage Index (AWI). The historical AWI factors are published annually and you'll need them for accurate AIME calculations. Also, if you're planning to include spousal benefit scenarios, don't forget about the Government Pension Offset (GPO) and Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) if either applies to your situation - these can significantly impact calculations but are often overlooked. The complexity is real, but once you get all the pieces together in a spreadsheet, it becomes incredibly powerful for scenario planning. Looking forward to seeing what you create!

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Layla Sanders

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Thanks for mentioning the Red Book and AWI factors! I hadn't considered the earnings indexing piece - that's probably why some of my preliminary calculations were off. I'm definitely going to need those historical AWI factors. Quick question: do you happen to know if the AWI indexing applies to all years of earnings, or just up to a certain age? And regarding GPO/WEP - thankfully neither my spouse nor I have government pensions, but I'll make sure to include those variables in the spreadsheet for completeness. This is turning into quite the project, but I'm excited to have a comprehensive tool when it's done!

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Carmen Lopez

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@Luca Russo This is such valuable information! I m'just starting my research into creating these calculation tools myself. Could you clarify something about the AWI indexing - is this something that gets applied automatically when calculating AIME, or do I need to manually apply these factors to each year of earnings in my spreadsheet? Also, where exactly can I find those historical AWI factors? I ve'been digging through the SSA website but haven t'located the specific table yet. Thanks for sharing your experience with this - it s'encouraging to know others have successfully navigated this complexity!

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