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I'm in a similar situation and found that creating a simple spreadsheet really helped clarify things. I made columns for each claiming age (62, 67, 70) and calculated cumulative benefits received at different future ages (75, 80, 85, 90). What really opened my eyes was including a "health span" factor - not just life expectancy, but how many years I might realistically enjoy the money. Also, don't underestimate the psychological factor. My neighbor claimed at 62 and says the peace of mind of having guaranteed income (even if smaller) has been worth more than any break-even calculation. On the flip side, my dad waited until 70 and feels great about his larger checks, but he was fortunate to have other income sources during the wait. Have you considered doing a "test run" where you calculate your monthly budget needs at different benefit levels? Sometimes seeing the actual dollar impact on your lifestyle makes the decision clearer than abstract break-even ages.
@Kayla Morgan Your spreadsheet approach sounds incredibly helpful! I m'wondering if you could share a bit more detail about how you weighted the health "span factor." Did you discount the value of benefits received in later years, or just set a cutoff age based on when you realistically expect to be active enough to enjoy the money? Also, for @AstroExplorer - reading through all these responses, it seems like your instinct about family longevity might be really important here. If your parents both passed in their mid-70s, that 78.7 break-even age for waiting until 67 suddenly looks a lot less appealing. Sometimes the safe "choice" isn t'about maximizing dollars but about ensuring you actually get to enjoy the benefits you ve'earned. Have you looked into whether there are any genetic or lifestyle factors that might make your longevity different from your parents? Things like advances in medical care, different lifestyle choices, etc.? It might help inform your decision beyond just the family history.
@Kayla Morgan Your approach of including the health "span factor" is really insightful! I m'61 and facing a similar decision, and I keep getting caught up in the pure mathematics without considering quality of life factors. @AstroExplorer Given your family history and the break-even ages that @Giovanni Moretti calculated for you 78.7 for (waiting until 67, 82.5 for waiting until 70 , it)seems like claiming earlier might make sense in your situation. Those break-even points assume you need to live quite a bit longer than your parents did just to come out even, let alone ahead. One thing I d add'is to consider your current health status too. Are you in better health than your parents were at your age? Do you have better access to healthcare? Sometimes family history isn t destiny,'especially with medical advances. But honestly, after reading all these responses, I m leaning'toward the idea that there s no'single right answer "-" it really depends on your individual priorities. Some people value maximizing total lifetime benefits, others value guaranteed income security, and still others want to enjoy the money while they re healthiest.'All valid approaches!
Reading through all these responses has been incredibly eye-opening! As someone who's also approaching this decision (I'll be 63 next year), I wanted to share what I learned from my financial advisor that might help. She had me create what she called a "regret minimization framework." Basically, I imagined myself at 85 looking back - would I regret having taken smaller checks for 23 years, or would I regret having missed out on 3-8 years of benefits entirely if I don't live as long as expected? For me, the answer was clear once I framed it that way. My dad died at 74, and while I'm healthier than he was, I realized I'd rather have 20+ years of guaranteed income (even if smaller) than potentially miss out on years of benefits chasing a mathematically optimal solution. Also, something that hasn't been mentioned yet - consider your spouse's situation if you're married. The survivor gets the higher of the two benefits, so if you're the higher earner, delaying might make more sense to protect your spouse. But if you're the lower earner, claiming early while your spouse delays could provide household income without sacrificing the survivor benefit potential. @AstroExplorer given your family history, I'd seriously consider claiming sooner rather than later. Peace of mind has real value too.
I'm really sorry you're dealing with this worry. The financial gap between ages 55-60 is unfortunately very real and affects many widows. Here are a few additional things to consider while you're planning: 1. Look into whether you'd be eligible for any spousal benefits on your own work record before age 60 - even if you haven't worked recently, you might have enough credits from earlier employment. 2. Consider whether it makes sense for your husband to delay his Social Security to increase the survivor benefit you'd eventually receive (though this is complex and depends on your ages and health). 3. Some employers offer survivor benefits through pension plans that might kick in earlier than Social Security. The life insurance suggestion others mentioned is crucial - term life insurance specifically for this 5-year gap period might be more affordable than permanent coverage. You're being smart to think about this now rather than after it's too late to plan.
This is really helpful information, thank you. I haven't worked in about 8 years, so I'm not sure if I have enough credits for my own benefits. How do I find out how many work credits I have? And regarding the life insurance - would a 5-year term policy be enough, or should we consider longer coverage? I'm trying to balance the costs with our current budget since we're living on just his Social Security right now.
You can check your work credits by creating a my Social Security account at ssa.gov - it will show your complete earnings history and how many credits you've earned. You need 40 credits (about 10 years of work) for retirement benefits, but you might qualify for spousal benefits on your husband's record even with fewer credits. For life insurance, a 5-year term policy could work if you're confident about the survivor benefit timing, but consider a 10-year term instead - it's usually not much more expensive and gives you a buffer in case you decide to delay claiming survivor benefits until your full retirement age for the higher amount. Given that you're living on just his Social Security now, even a modest term policy (maybe $100-200k) could make a huge difference during that gap period.
I've been helping people navigate Social Security for over 20 years, and your concern is completely valid. The 55-60 gap is one of the harshest aspects of the survivor benefit system. A few things to add to the excellent advice already given: 1. **File immediately when the time comes** - Even though you can't get benefits until 60, you should still report your husband's death to SSA right away to get that $255 lump sum and establish your case in their system. 2. **Consider working part-time** - If you do end up needing income during that gap period, even part-time work could help you earn additional Social Security credits for your own future benefits. 3. **Don't overlook COBRA** - If your husband has employer health insurance, you may be able to continue coverage through COBRA, which could be crucial during those gap years. 4. **State programs vary widely** - Some states have emergency assistance programs for widows. Contact your local Department of Social Services to ask about any state-specific programs. The system isn't perfect, but planning ahead like you're doing puts you in a much better position than most people who face this situation unexpectedly. Document everything and keep good records - it will help when you do apply for benefits.
This is incredibly helpful and thorough information - thank you so much for taking the time to share your expertise. I hadn't thought about COBRA or the importance of filing immediately even if I can't get benefits right away. The part about working part-time is interesting too - I've been out of the workforce for so long that it feels daunting, but maybe it would be good for both financial and personal reasons. Do you know roughly how many work credits I could earn per year with part-time work? And is there a minimum amount I'd need to earn for it to count toward Social Security credits?
You can earn up to 4 Social Security credits per year, which is the maximum. In 2024, you earn 1 credit for every $1,730 in covered earnings, so you'd need $6,920 in annual earnings to get all 4 credits. That's very achievable with part-time work - even working 15-20 hours per week at minimum wage would likely get you there. The great thing about going back to work, even part-time, is that it can actually increase your future Social Security benefits if your recent earnings are higher than some of your earlier working years. Social Security uses your highest 35 years of earnings, so new work could potentially replace lower-earning years from decades ago. Plus, many employers offer benefits even to part-time workers these days - things like retirement plan access, health insurance subsidies, or employee assistance programs that could help during your transition period. Starting to think about this now gives you time to explore what kind of work might interest you and maybe even start building those credits before you need them. Even if it's just seasonal or very part-time work, every little bit helps both financially and for your own sense of security and independence.
I'm new here but experiencing this exact same frustrating issue! I'm about 6 months from filing for early retirement and getting wildly different estimates. My online MySocialSecurity calculator shows $1,975/month, but when I called SSA last week, the rep quoted me only $1,785 - nearly a $200 difference that's really throwing off my retirement planning. What's particularly frustrating is how unhelpful the phone rep was when I asked about the discrepancy. She basically just said "the computer system is more accurate than the website" but couldn't explain WHY there's such a huge gap between SSA's own tools. Reading through all these experiences has been incredibly eye-opening - I had no idea this was such a widespread problem! The explanations about the Master Beneficiary Record system versus the simplified online calculators really help me understand what's happening. It sounds like I need to call back (using that 8 AM tip!) and specifically ask for a step-by-step breakdown of their calculation. I'm definitely going to request that written benefit verification letter everyone's mentioning. It's ridiculous that we have to become investigators just to get accurate information about our own benefits, but at least now I know there's a path forward. Has anyone found that multiple phone calls eventually led to more consistent quotes, or do different reps tend to give different numbers even when using the same system?
I'm new to this community and facing a very similar situation! I'm about 2 years from my planned early retirement and just discovered a $190 discrepancy between my MySocialSecurity online estimate ($1,940) and what a phone rep quoted me ($1,750). What really strikes me about this thread is how consistent these discrepancies are - it seems like almost everyone is seeing $150-250 differences between the online tools and phone quotes. That suggests this is a systematic issue with how SSA's different systems work rather than random errors. I'm particularly grateful for the explanations about the Master Beneficiary Record system that phone reps use versus the simplified online calculators. As a newcomer to Social Security planning, I had no idea there were such fundamental differences between their various tools. It's frustrating that SSA doesn't clearly explain these limitations on their website. I'm definitely going to follow the advice here about calling at 8 AM for shorter wait times and requesting a written benefit verification letter. It sounds like that's really the only way to get an official, reliable number to plan with. One question for the group - for those who eventually filed, did your actual benefit amount end up matching the phone rep's quote pretty closely? I'm trying to figure out how much uncertainty to build into my retirement budget planning. Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences - this has been incredibly helpful for understanding what seemed like a confusing and isolated problem!
I went through this exact situation with my mother's estate last year. A few things that might help: First, definitely go with the SSA-1724 form that AstroAce mentioned - they're spot on about that being the correct form for underpayments. Second, when you go to the SSA office, try to get there early in the morning (like right when they open) - the wait times are usually much shorter. Third, make sure you have your letters of testamentary or whatever court documents show you're the executor, because some offices are stricter about this than others. The whole process took me about 3 weeks from start to finish once I got the appointment, and they were actually pretty helpful once I got to speak with someone in person. The phone system is absolutely useless, but the in-person staff generally know what they're doing. Good luck!
This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! I'm definitely planning to get there right when they open - I've heard that tip from others too. I have all the executor paperwork ready to go. It's reassuring to hear that the in-person staff are actually helpful once you get past the phone system nightmare. Three weeks sounds very reasonable for getting this resolved. I really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences here - it's so much more helpful than trying to navigate the SSA website!
I'm dealing with a similar situation right now with my late mother's estate. One additional thing to consider - if your father had any automatic bill payments coming out of his Social Security, those companies might have tried to process payments after his death and received returned payment notices. I discovered this when going through my mom's mail and found several "payment returned" notices from her utility companies. It's worth checking his mail for a few months after you resolve the uncashed check issue, just to make sure there aren't any other financial loose ends. Also, some banks will hold returned direct deposits for a certain period before sending them back to SSA, so there might be a delay in when those show up in their system. The SSA office should be able to tell you about any returned payments when you go in for your appointment.
That's a really good point about checking for returned bill payments! I hadn't thought about that aspect of things. My dad did have a few automatic payments set up, so I should definitely keep an eye on his mail for any returned payment notices. It's amazing how many little financial details there are to track down when someone passes away. I'll make sure to ask the SSA office about any returned direct deposits too when I go in for my appointment. Thanks for sharing your experience - it's helpful to know what to look out for!
Anastasia Popov
This is such valuable information! I'm 61 and in a similar situation - divorced after 15 years, ex-spouse passed away 8 years ago. I've been wondering about this exact strategy but wasn't sure if it was allowed. Reading through all these responses has been incredibly helpful. I especially appreciate the tips about using specific terminology like "restricted application for survivor benefits only" and the reminder about gathering all the necessary documents early. One question I have - has anyone here actually gone through this process recently? I'm curious about how long it takes from application to receiving the first benefit payment. Also, does SSA automatically send you reminders when you're approaching 70 to switch to your own benefits, or is it really up to you to remember and initiate that change?
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CosmicCruiser
•Hi Anastasia! I went through this process about 18 months ago, so I can share my recent experience. From application to first payment took about 6-8 weeks, which was faster than I expected. I applied online initially but ended up having to go to the local office to sort out some documentation issues. As for the switch at 70 - no, SSA definitely does NOT automatically remind you or switch you over. You have to be proactive about it. I actually set up calendar reminders starting 6 months before I turn 70 to make sure I don't forget. The representative I worked with emphasized that this is entirely on you to remember and initiate. She suggested applying for your own retirement benefits about 2-3 months before you turn 70 to ensure there's no gap in payments. Hope this helps!
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Anastasia Smirnova
I'm 58 and recently widowed after being divorced from my ex-husband for 6 years. We were married for 14 years before the divorce. Reading through this thread has given me hope that I might have some options when I get older! I had no idea that divorced spouses could be eligible for survivor benefits. Does anyone know if there are any special considerations for people who become widows/widowers closer to age 60? I'm wondering if I should start gathering documents now or if there are other benefits I might be eligible for sooner than the full retirement age strategy discussed here. Also, is there a difference between being a "surviving divorced spouse" versus a regular surviving spouse in terms of benefit amounts? This is all so overwhelming but everyone's shared experiences here are really helping me understand what might be possible.
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