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As someone who's been helping family members navigate Social Security for years, I can confirm what others have said - Roth IRA withdrawals absolutely do NOT count toward the earnings test at any age. The confusion often comes from mixing up different types of retirement income and their various tax implications. Here's the simple breakdown: The Social Security earnings test ONLY looks at wages from employment and self-employment income. It completely ignores investment income, pensions, and retirement account distributions - including both traditional and Roth IRAs. Since you're hitting FRA (67) next year, the earnings test won't even apply to you regardless. But even if you were younger, those Roth withdrawals still wouldn't count. This is actually one of the biggest advantages of Roth accounts for early retirees who want to bridge income until Social Security kicks in. One tip: When you do call SSA (if needed), specifically ask about "earnings test" vs "taxability of benefits" - they're two completely different things and some reps mix them up. Good luck with your retirement planning!
This is such a helpful summary! As someone just starting to understand all these retirement rules, I really appreciate how you broke down the difference between the earnings test and benefit taxation - I was definitely getting those confused. It's reassuring to know that even if someone retires before FRA, Roth withdrawals still wouldn't count toward any Social Security limits. This makes me feel much more confident about my own retirement planning strategy. The tip about being specific when calling SSA is gold - I can see how easy it would be for representatives to mix up these different concepts when answering questions.
This has been such an informative discussion! I'm about 10 years away from retirement myself, and seeing all these real experiences with Roth IRAs and Social Security has been eye-opening. It's clear that the tax-free nature of Roth withdrawals provides incredible flexibility - not affecting earnings tests, IRMAA thresholds, or Social Security taxation. One thing I'm curious about that hasn't been mentioned yet: for those of you who have been taking Roth withdrawals alongside Social Security, have you found any unexpected interactions or considerations beyond what's been discussed? I'm thinking about things like state tax implications or how it might affect other benefits or programs. I want to make sure I'm not missing any potential gotchas as I plan my own retirement strategy. Thanks to everyone who's shared their experiences - this thread should be bookmarked by anyone planning retirement with both Social Security and Roth IRAs!
Great question about state tax implications! I'm relatively new to retirement planning myself, but from what I've been researching, state treatment of retirement income can vary significantly. Some states don't tax retirement income at all, while others might treat Roth distributions differently than the federal government does. One thing that occurred to me while reading through this thread is how important it seems to be to get multiple sources of information and really understand the distinctions between different types of rules (like the earnings test vs. benefit taxation that @Avery Davis explained so well .)As someone just starting to learn about this, I m'definitely going to be saving this discussion as a reference! I m'also curious about timing strategies - like whether there are optimal ways to coordinate Roth withdrawals with Social Security claiming decisions, but that might be getting beyond the scope of the original question. This thread has definitely motivated me to start contributing more to my Roth IRA while I m'still in a relatively lower tax bracket.
I'm also on SSDI and just started part-time work last year - the app has been a lifesaver for my anxiety too! One thing I'd add is that you can actually check if your wage reports went through by logging into your my Social Security account online. Under "Message Center" you'll sometimes see confirmations that they received your monthly reports. It's not instant, but usually shows up within a few days to a week. Also, don't stress too much about that verification call - I ended up never making mine and everything has worked fine for 8 months now. The app really does work as intended. Just keep those confirmation numbers and screenshot everything like others mentioned. Good luck with your new job!
This is really helpful to know about checking the Message Center! I didn't realize you could verify your reports went through that way. That would definitely ease my anxiety about whether they actually received everything. Thanks for mentioning that - it sounds like the perfect middle ground between using the app and having to make phone calls.
@Paolo Ricci This is exactly what I needed to hear! The Message Center verification is perfect - I had no idea that existed. That takes away so much of my worry about whether the reports are actually going through. I feel much more confident about using the app now instead of dealing with those awful phone waits. Really appreciate you sharing your experience!
I'm new to this community but wanted to share my recent experience since I was in a very similar situation just a few months ago. I also have severe phone anxiety and was terrified about having to call SSA to report wages when I started my part-time job. The mobile app has been absolutely fantastic! I've been using it for 4 months now without any issues. A few tips that helped me: 1) Set up your my Social Security account BEFORE you need to report - it takes a day or two to verify 2) I set a phone reminder for the 1st of each month to report by the 6th 3) Always screenshot the confirmation screen AND write down the confirmation number 4) Check your Message Center in my Social Security about a week later to see if they confirmed receipt The app is so much less stressful than calling. I was prepared to suffer through phone calls but honestly haven't needed to make a single one. The system really does work as designed. Your phone anxiety is totally valid and you shouldn't have to suffer through those awful hold times when there's a perfectly good digital option available. Best of luck with your new job! Having that income while keeping benefits has been life-changing for me.
@Fatima Al-Mansour Thank you so much for this detailed breakdown! As someone who s'completely new to both SSDI and working while on benefits, having a step-by-step approach like this is incredibly reassuring. I especially appreciate the tip about setting up the my Social Security account early - I hadn t'thought about the verification delay. Your point about phone anxiety being valid really hits home too. It s'such a relief to know that other people understand how debilitating those long hold times can be, and that there s'actually a system in place that works without having to go through that ordeal. I m'feeling much more confident about starting this job now!
I'm glad this thread has been so helpful! As someone who went through this exact situation at 63, I wanted to add a few more practical tips: 1. **Timing matters for self-employment income** - SSA counts the income when you actually receive it, not when you earn it. So if you invoice in December but get paid in January, that counts toward the next year's earnings limit. 2. **Quarterly estimated taxes can help you track** - If you're paying quarterly estimates for your business income, those calculations can give you a good running total of your net self-employment income throughout the year. 3. **The SSA-7011 form** - If you do end up with significant earnings over the limit, SSA may send you this form to report your annual earnings. It's much easier to complete if you've been tracking your net income monthly. 4. **Don't forget about the "grace year"** - In your first year of retirement (which was last year for you), there's a monthly earnings test instead of the annual test. But since you're in your second year now, you're subject to the annual limit. The peace of mind knowing this is temporary and not permanent is huge. I was losing sleep over it until I got clarity from SSA directly!
This is incredibly helpful! I had no idea about the timing aspect - that could actually work in my favor since most of my big client payments come in late in the year. If I can shift some invoicing to early January, that might help me stay under the 2025 limit. The quarterly tax tracking tip is brilliant too. I'm already doing estimated taxes for my business so using those calculations to monitor my SSA earnings limit progress throughout the year makes perfect sense. One question about the grace year - even though I started collecting at 62 last year, does that monthly test still apply to any part of this year or am I fully on the annual test now? I want to make sure I understand which rules apply to my situation. Thanks for mentioning the SSA-7011 form too - I'll keep an eye out for that and make sure I'm ready with good records if they send it. This whole thread has been a lifesaver for understanding how this all actually works!
Just wanted to share my recent experience since I went through this exact situation last year at age 63! I was panicking about the same thing when my consulting income shot up unexpectedly. Here's what actually happened: SSA withheld about $1,800 from my benefits because I went over the earnings limit by around $3,600. It felt scary at the time, but when I reached out to SSA (took forever to get through!), they confirmed it's completely temporary. The key thing that helped me was understanding that they use your NET self-employment income, not gross. So all your legitimate business expenses (equipment, supplies, mileage, etc.) count toward reducing that number. I was way more worried than I needed to be because I was looking at my gross revenue instead of net. Also - and this is important - if you think you'll significantly exceed the limit, call SSA proactively! They can set up a payment plan or voluntary suspension rather than hitting you with a big overpayment demand later. I learned this the hard way. The recalculation at FRA is real too. I won't hit 67 for a few more years, but SSA showed me exactly how they'll adjust my benefit upward to account for the withheld months. It's not a lump sum - it's a permanent increase to your monthly payment going forward. Don't stress too much about it - the system actually does work as intended, even if the communication could be clearer!
I'm currently 65 and facing a similar decision, though from a slightly different angle. My husband passed away two years ago, and I've been trying to understand how his early claiming at 62 affects my current widow's benefits versus what my own retirement benefits would be. What I've learned through this process that might help you: the distinction between spousal benefits during marriage and survivor benefits really is crucial to understand. From the responses here, it sounds like you've got good clarity on the spousal benefit piece (based on your PIA regardless of when you claim), but the survivor benefit consideration is equally important for your planning. One thing I wish someone had told my husband and me earlier is to really think through the "what if" scenarios beyond just the numbers. When he claimed early, we were focused on our immediate financial needs and didn't fully consider the long-term implications. Now I'm living with a reduced survivor benefit that will impact me for the rest of my life. That said, every situation is different. If you genuinely need the income now, or if waiting would create financial stress, that has real value too. There's no universally "right" answer - it really depends on your complete financial picture, health considerations, and peace of mind. Have you and your wife talked through both the best-case and worst-case scenarios? Sometimes those conversations help clarify what matters most in your specific situation.
Thank you so much for sharing your personal experience - I'm sorry for the loss of your husband. Your perspective on the survivor benefits really drives home how important it is to consider both scenarios, not just the spousal benefits while we're both alive. You're absolutely right that my wife and I need to have those "what if" conversations. We've been so focused on optimizing the numbers that we haven't really talked through how we'd feel in different scenarios - what if I pass away first, what if we both live longer than expected, what if we need the money sooner due to health issues. Your point about there being no universally "right" answer really resonates. I think I've been trying to find the perfect mathematical solution when maybe the better approach is finding the solution that gives us the most peace of mind given our actual circumstances and concerns. If you don't mind me asking, when you're looking at your current situation with the reduced survivor benefit, are there other strategies or resources that have helped you manage the financial impact? I want to make sure we're thinking about all the tools available, not just Social Security optimization.
I'm really grateful for all the detailed responses here - this community has been incredibly helpful! After reading through everyone's experiences and insights, I think I have a much clearer understanding of the key issues to consider. The main takeaways for me are: 1. My early filing won't affect my wife's spousal benefits (those are based on my PIA regardless of when I claim) 2. BUT it would affect survivor benefits if I pass away first 3. This isn't just about maximizing Social Security - it's about our overall financial strategy and peace of mind I think my next steps are to: - Use my SSA online account to get exact benefit projections for different scenarios - Have those important "what if" conversations with my wife about both best and worst case scenarios - Consider consulting with a fee-only financial planner who specializes in Social Security, especially given the survivor benefit implications - Factor in our immediate financial needs and stress levels, not just the theoretical optimal numbers Thanks again everyone for sharing your real-world experiences and walking me through the distinction between spousal and survivor benefits. This has been way more helpful than trying to navigate the SSA website alone!
Luca Russo
As someone who went through this exact process with my husband last year, I can confirm everything others have said about needing an in-person appointment for your wife. One thing I'd add - when you call to schedule her appointment, ask if they have any cancellation lists you can be put on. Sometimes people cancel last-minute and you can get in much sooner than the regular 6+ week wait times. Also, make copies of EVERYTHING before you go. The SSA office will keep originals of some documents, and having copies for your records has been a lifesaver when we needed to reference things later. Your wife's 20 years as a permanent resident puts her in a really strong position - much more straightforward than newer green card holders. The spousal benefit should process smoothly once you get past the appointment hurdle. Congratulations on your upcoming retirement!
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Ava Thompson
•Thank you for the tip about the cancellation list! That's brilliant - I'll definitely ask about that when we call. And great point about making copies of everything. My wife is pretty organized with documents but having backups sounds essential, especially if they keep originals. It's reassuring to hear from someone who went through the same process successfully. The 6+ week wait time is daunting but knowing there might be earlier options helps a lot!
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KylieRose
I went through a very similar process with my spouse who is also a green card holder. A few additional tips based on our experience: 1. When you call SSA to schedule your wife's appointment, try calling first thing in the morning (8 AM local time) - the wait times are usually shorter then. 2. Consider bringing a letter from your wife's previous employers showing her work history, even though she doesn't have 40 quarters. Sometimes this helps establish her identity and work authorization history. 3. If your wife has ever renewed her green card, bring both the old and new cards if you still have them. This shows continuous legal status. 4. One thing that caught us off guard - they asked for proof of your marriage being "valid" for the entire duration. Since you've been married 32 years, you might want to bring some additional evidence like joint tax returns from different years, joint bank statements, or property deeds showing both names. The whole process took about 6 weeks from appointment to first payment for us, but it was worth the wait. Your wife's long-term permanent resident status should make this much smoother than some of the horror stories you hear about. Best of luck!
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Carmen Ruiz
•This is incredibly thorough advice! The tip about calling at 8 AM is something I wouldn't have thought of, and bringing documentation of the marriage's validity over 32 years is smart - we definitely have joint tax returns and bank statements going back decades. I'm curious about the letter from previous employers though - did SSA specifically ask for that, or was it something you brought proactively? My wife worked for several different companies over the years and I'm wondering if we should try to track down employment letters from all of them or just the most recent ones. Also, 6 weeks from appointment to first payment sounds very reasonable given all the stories about government processing delays. Thanks for sharing your experience!
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