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Good question about the earnings test! Benefits withheld due to the earnings test are NOT permanently lost. Once you reach FRA, Social Security recalculates your benefit amount to credit you for months when benefits were withheld. Your monthly benefit amount increases to account for those months you didn't receive benefits.
As someone who went through a similar situation with my spouse, I'd recommend creating a spreadsheet to model different scenarios with your actual numbers. Don't forget to factor in cost-of-living adjustments (COLA) and potential changes to your health insurance coverage when you retire. One strategy worth considering: since your husband's PIA is higher, you might explore having him delay until 70 (getting those 8% annual increases) while you claim at 67. This could maximize your household's total lifetime benefits AND provide you with the highest possible survivor benefit if he passes first. The math gets complex, but the peace of mind knowing you've optimized your strategy is worth the effort. Also, consider consulting with a fee-only financial planner who specializes in Social Security - they can often spot opportunities that aren't obvious from online calculators. Best of luck with your planning!
I'm in a very similar boat - got laid off at 65 last year and have been wrestling with the same concerns about my Social Security projections. What I discovered after doing a deep dive into my earnings history is that the impact really depends on your specific career trajectory. Since you mentioned earning $98K recently and that your last 6-7 years were your highest, you're probably in better shape than you think. The key insight for me was realizing that Social Security uses your highest 35 years of indexed earnings - so if you already have 35 solid years in the books, a few years of lower or zero earnings at the end might not even crack into that top 35. I'd strongly recommend downloading your complete earnings record from ssa.gov and looking at year 35 on that list (your lowest "high" year). That number becomes your benchmark - any future earnings above that level will actually improve your benefit, while anything below won't help but also won't hurt if it doesn't replace a higher year. The other thing that gave me peace of mind was remembering that those delayed retirement credits from FRA to 70 are guaranteed and completely separate from the earnings calculation. Even if your base benefit drops by $50-100/month due to lower recent earnings, you're still getting that 32% boost for delaying. In my case, I ended up taking a part-time consulting role that pays about half what I used to make, but it's been perfect for this transition period. Less stress, more flexibility, and it keeps my Social Security calculation stable. Might be worth considering!
This is such valuable insight, thank you! I really appreciate you breaking down the "year 35 benchmark" concept - that's exactly the kind of specific guidance I need to wrap my head around this. The idea that I might already have 35 solid years locked in and that future lower earnings might not even matter is incredibly reassuring. Your point about the consulting route is really appealing too. Half your previous salary but with less stress and more control sounds like it could be the perfect bridge strategy. It takes the pressure off finding another high-stress corporate role while still potentially keeping my SS calculation intact. I'm definitely going to download that complete earnings record tonight and identify my year 35 benchmark. Having that concrete number will help me make much more informed decisions about what kind of work to pursue going forward. Thanks for sharing your real-world experience with this transition!
I'm new to this community but dealing with a very similar situation - got laid off at 64 and have been really worried about how it might impact my Social Security benefits. Reading through all these responses has been incredibly helpful and reassuring! What strikes me most is how many people have shared actual numbers from their own experiences - it seems like the impact is usually much smaller than we fear. The $40-75/month reductions that people mentioned are significant but not catastrophic, especially when you consider the 32% boost from delaying to 70. I'm definitely going to follow the advice about downloading my earnings history and identifying that "year 35 benchmark" that several people mentioned. Having a concrete threshold number to work with seems like it would take a lot of the guesswork and anxiety out of this situation. Thank you to everyone who shared their real experiences - it's so much more valuable than trying to interpret the SSA website on your own! This thread has given me hope that this late-career disruption doesn't have to derail my retirement plans.
This has been such an informative discussion! I'm in a similar boat - turning 62 in a few months and running a small seasonal business (landscaping/lawn care). The S-corp strategy sounds promising, but I'm curious about one specific aspect for seasonal businesses like nurseries. Since nursery income is often heavily concentrated in spring/summer months, have any of you dealt with the challenge of timing your salary payments? I'm wondering if it makes sense to spread the salary evenly throughout the year or concentrate it during the busy season when you're actually doing most of the work. Also, for those who've implemented this strategy - how long did it take to get everything set up properly? I want to make sure I have enough lead time to get the LLC converted to S-corp tax status, set up payroll, etc. before I file for Social Security benefits. The point about joining industry associations for salary data is brilliant - I never would have thought of that for justification purposes. This thread has given me a much clearer roadmap for planning my transition. Thank you all for sharing your real-world experiences!
Great questions about seasonal timing! I'm actually facing the exact same considerations with my nursery business. From what I've learned in this thread and my own research, spreading the salary evenly throughout the year is generally the safer approach for a few reasons: 1. It looks more like traditional employment, which strengthens the case that you're a legitimate employee of your S-corp 2. It's easier to manage cash flow and quarterly tax payments 3. SSA tends to prefer consistent, predictable income patterns That said, you could potentially justify higher payments during busy season if you can document that's when you're doing the majority of your work hours. For setup timing, I've been told it typically takes 2-3 months to get everything properly established - LLC formation/conversion, S-corp election filing, EIN setup, business bank accounts, payroll system, etc. So definitely start the process well before you plan to file for Social Security. One thing I'm still figuring out is how to handle the transition year when I'm switching from W-2 employment to S-corp salary mid-year. The monthly earnings test that Camila mentioned earlier might be key for that situation. Good luck with your planning! It's reassuring to know there are others going through this same transition process.
As a newcomer to this community, I'm incredibly grateful for this detailed discussion! I'm 61 and facing a similar situation with my small pottery business. Reading through everyone's experiences has clarified so many questions I had about the earnings limit and S-corp strategy. One thing I'm still trying to understand - for those who have successfully implemented this approach, how do you handle documentation for the "reasonable salary" determination? I see mentions of industry salary surveys and local market rates, but I'm wondering if there are specific resources or databases that SSA/IRS typically find most credible? Also, I noticed several people mentioned working with accountants who specialize in both Social Security and small business taxation. That seems crucial, but how do you find someone with that specific dual expertise? Most accountants I've talked to are strong in one area or the other, but not both. Thank you all for sharing your real-world experiences - this thread has been more helpful than months of trying to research this on my own!
As someone who works in retirement planning, I want to add one more consideration that hasn't been fully addressed - the impact of Required Minimum Distributions (RMDs) from your retirement accounts. Since you're planning to work until 70, you'll likely hit age 73 (when RMDs kick in) while still earning a full salary AND collecting Social Security. This could create a perfect storm for taxes in your early 70s. You might want to consider doing some Roth conversions in the gap years between when you start SS at FRA and when RMDs begin, especially if you have traditional 401k/IRA balances. The years between 67-72 could be a sweet spot for managing your tax brackets more strategically. Also, don't forget about the Social Security "do-over" rule - if you change your mind within 12 months of filing, you can withdraw your application, pay back what you received, and reapply later. It's like a one-time reset button, though most people don't need it.
This is incredibly helpful advice that I hadn't considered at all! The RMD situation at 73 is definitely something I need to factor into my planning. I do have substantial traditional 401k balances that will eventually force distributions, and you're right that having full salary + Social Security + RMDs all hitting at once could push me into a much higher tax bracket. The Roth conversion strategy for those gap years (67-72) makes a lot of sense. I'll definitely need to run some numbers with a tax professional to see how much I could convert each year without jumping into higher brackets. And thank you for mentioning the "do-over" rule! I had no idea that existed. It's reassuring to know there's a safety net if I realize I made the wrong choice within that first year. Do you have any rough guidance on what income levels typically make Roth conversions most beneficial during those gap years?
The income thresholds for optimal Roth conversions vary by filing status and change annually, but as a general rule of thumb, you want to stay within the 12% or 22% tax brackets if possible. For 2024, that means keeping your total taxable income (including the conversion amount) under about $95K for married filing jointly or $47K for single filers to stay in the 12% bracket. However, since you'll be collecting Social Security, remember that the conversion income could push more of your SS benefits into taxable territory (the "tax torpedo" effect). This makes the calculation more complex than just looking at ordinary income brackets. I'd strongly recommend modeling different scenarios with tax software or working with a fee-only financial planner who can run projections. They can help you find that sweet spot where you're converting enough to reduce future RMDs but not so much that you're paying unnecessarily high taxes today. The key is being strategic about it rather than just converting a fixed amount each year without considering the total tax picture.
One more thing to consider that I don't think has been mentioned yet - if you have a Health Savings Account (HSA) through your employer, keep maximizing those contributions while you're still working! Once you enroll in Medicare (at 65), you can no longer contribute to an HSA, but you can still use the funds for qualified medical expenses. Since you mentioned your health isn't the greatest, having a well-funded HSA can be incredibly valuable in retirement. The triple tax advantage (deductible contributions, tax-free growth, tax-free withdrawals for medical expenses) makes it one of the best retirement accounts available. After age 65, you can even withdraw HSA funds for non-medical purposes (though you'll pay regular income tax, similar to a traditional IRA). So while you're figuring out your Social Security timing, don't forget to max out that HSA if you have access to one - it's $4,300 for individuals or $8,550 for families in 2024, plus an extra $1,000 catch-up contribution if you're over 55.
Mei-Ling Chen
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet - if you're planning to receive your benefits via direct deposit to your US bank account, make sure to notify your bank that you'll be receiving regular government payments from overseas. Some banks have been flagging these as suspicious activity and temporarily freezing accounts. I learned this the hard way when my first SS payment triggered a fraud alert! A quick call to your bank's international services department before your first payment arrives can save you a lot of headaches. Also, consider setting up online banking alerts so you can monitor the deposits even from Portugal.
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MidnightRider
•That's such an important point about notifying the bank! I've had fraud alerts triggered for much smaller international activities, so I can definitely see how regular SS payments could cause issues. I'll call my bank before I apply to let them know what to expect. The online banking alerts are a great suggestion too - it would be nice to get immediate confirmation when payments arrive rather than wondering if everything went through correctly. Thanks for sharing that hard-learned lesson!
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Jasmine Hernandez
One more consideration - since you've been in Portugal for 11 years, you might want to check if you need to report your Social Security benefits on your Portuguese tax return once you start receiving them. Portugal has different tax treaties and rules for US Social Security income depending on your residency status there. Some expats get caught off guard by the tax implications in their country of residence, not just the US side. It might be worth consulting with a tax advisor who understands both US and Portuguese tax law before you start receiving benefits, especially if you have other income sources in Portugal. Better to know upfront than be surprised later!
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Maya Jackson
•Great point about Portuguese tax implications! I honestly hadn't thought much about the Portugal side of things - I've been so focused on the US requirements. Since I've been here 11 years, I'm definitely considered a tax resident of Portugal. I should probably find a tax advisor who specializes in US-Portugal tax issues before I start receiving benefits. Do you happen to know if there are any online resources or expat communities in Portugal that might have recommendations for advisors who understand both systems? I'd hate to make a costly mistake on either side!
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