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I've been receiving Social Security benefits for about 18 months now and can answer your question about notifications when benefits are withheld. SSA will send you a formal notice (usually within 4-6 weeks) explaining exactly why your benefit was withheld for that month, including the specific amount you earned that triggered the withholding. The notice will show your reported earnings for that month and clearly state that because you exceeded the $1,950 monthly limit, your entire benefit payment was withheld. They also include information about your appeal rights if you disagree with their determination. However, don't wait for the notice to figure out what happened - you'll know immediately when your expected deposit doesn't show up. I learned to track my own earnings carefully so I could predict when a payment would be withheld rather than being surprised by it. One tip: if you realize mid-month that you're going to exceed the limit, there's nothing you can do to avoid losing that month's benefit. But you can use it as a planning tool for future months. I actually started timing some of my larger client payments to fall in months when I was already over the limit anyway, rather than spreading the pain across multiple months. The psychological adjustment to losing entire monthly payments is tough at first, but remembering that you'll get credit for them later through higher permanent benefits helps. Just keep excellent records of everything!

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This is exactly the kind of practical information I was hoping to learn! Thank you for explaining the notification process so clearly. It's helpful to know that SSA does send formal notices explaining exactly why benefits were withheld, even though it takes a few weeks to receive them. Your strategy about timing larger client payments is really smart - if you're already going to lose a month's benefit anyway, it makes sense to concentrate the financial impact rather than spreading it across multiple months. That's the kind of real-world planning insight you just can't get from reading the official SSA publications. I'm definitely going to set up my own tracking system so I can predict when payments might be withheld rather than being caught off guard. The psychological preparation aspect is probably just as important as the financial planning. Knowing what to expect and having strategies like yours for managing the inevitable over-limit months will make this whole process much less stressful. Thanks for sharing your experience - it's incredibly valuable for those of us just starting this journey!

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I'm also starting SS benefits early next year while self-employed, and this entire thread has been absolutely invaluable! Reading through everyone's real experiences has made this so much clearer than any official SSA document I've tried to parse. A few key takeaways that really helped ease my anxiety: 1. **The monthly test is only for the first calendar year** - knowing it switches to annual in 2026 gives me a light at the end of the tunnel 2. **Earnings before you start benefits don't count** - huge relief since I have some good months early in 2025 3. **"Lost" benefits aren't actually lost** - they get credited back through higher permanent payments at FRA via the Adjustment of Reduction Factor 4. **Only work income counts** - dividends, interest, and other investment income don't affect the limit I'm planning to implement several strategies mentioned here: - Set up a separate business account to track monthly net earnings - Use the SSA-777 form that Daniel mentioned for official documentation - Track both income AND hours worked (including unpaid admin time) - Be conservative in 2025 and ramp up business in 2026 The stress of navigating this as a self-employed person with irregular income felt overwhelming before, but hearing from so many people who've successfully managed it gives me confidence. Thanks to everyone for sharing such detailed, practical advice - this community is amazing!

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This is such a comprehensive summary of all the key points! As someone who's also preparing to navigate this situation, I really appreciate you pulling together all the main takeaways from everyone's experiences. The point about earnings before you start benefits not counting is huge - I was really worried about some higher-income months I had earlier this year, but now I understand those won't affect my limits once I start benefits in May. Your implementation plan sounds solid, especially using the official SSA-777 form for tracking. I think being conservative in that first year and then ramping up in 2026 when it switches to the annual test is probably the smartest approach for those of us with unpredictable self-employment income. It's amazing how much less overwhelming this all feels after reading through everyone's real-world experiences here. The official SSA materials are so confusing, but hearing from people who've actually been through it makes all the difference. Thanks for organizing all these insights so clearly!

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that you can also stop or change your withholding at any time by submitting a new W-4V form. So if you start with 10% and find it's too much or too little after a few months, you're not stuck with that choice all year. I started with 12% last year, realized it was way too much after doing a mid-year tax estimate, and dropped it to 7%. Just make sure to allow that 1-3 month processing time for any changes to take effect. Also, keep track of how much is being withheld so you can adjust your withholding for the following year if needed.

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That's a really helpful point about being able to change the withholding amount! I was worried about picking the wrong percentage and being stuck with it. Since I'm completely new to this whole tax withholding thing, I think I'll start with 10% like a few people suggested and then adjust if needed once I see how it affects my monthly budget. Good to know there's flexibility built in.

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Just wanted to add another option that worked well for me - if you're tech-savvy and don't mind doing some math, you can also calculate your estimated tax liability using tax software (like the free versions of TurboTax or H&R Block) early in the year. I plugged in my expected SS benefits and other income, and it showed me exactly how much I'd owe. Then I divided that by my monthly SS payments to figure out what percentage to withhold. This helped me avoid both overwithholding (losing that interest you could earn) and underpayment penalties. The key is updating your estimate if your income changes significantly during the year.

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That's a really smart approach! I never thought about using tax software to run the numbers ahead of time. I'm pretty comfortable with computers, so I'll definitely try this method. It sounds like it would give me a much more accurate picture than just guessing at a percentage. Do you remember roughly how early in the year you can get reliable estimates? I'm thinking January might be too early since I won't have all my tax documents yet, but maybe February or March?

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I went through a similar situation with my fibromyalgia about 3 years ago. Started retirement benefits at 62, then my condition worsened significantly about 6 months later. Successfully converted to SSDI through the DIBEAR program and my monthly payment increased by about $320 when they removed the early filing penalty. A few things that helped my case: 1) Got a detailed RFC (Residual Functional Capacity) assessment from my doctor specifically describing what I couldn't do anymore, 2) Had my doctor write a letter explaining the timeline of when my condition became disabling in relation to when I started retirement benefits, and 3) Kept detailed records of medication changes and treatment attempts. The process took about 4 months for approval, but having solid medical documentation from the start really helped. Don't let anyone discourage you - this program exists for exactly your situation. With RA being a recognized condition and clear documentation of functional limitations, you have a good chance if you can establish the timeline properly.

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Thank you so much for sharing your experience! It's really encouraging to hear from someone who successfully went through this process. The RFC assessment sounds like something I should definitely request from my rheumatologist - I hadn't heard of that specific term before. Can you tell me more about what kinds of specific limitations your doctor included in that assessment? I want to make sure I'm asking for the right information when I see my doctor next week. Also, did you have to provide any work history documentation showing what your job duties were before you became unable to work?

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I'm dealing with a similar situation with my multiple sclerosis that worsened after I started early retirement. One thing I learned is that it's crucial to have your doctor document not just your diagnosis, but specifically how your condition prevents you from performing any substantial gainful activity. For RA specifically, make sure your rheumatologist documents things like: grip strength measurements, how long you can sit/stand/walk, your ability to use your hands for fine motor tasks, fatigue levels, and how pain medications affect your cognitive function. SSA needs to see that even with treatment, you can't maintain consistent work activity. Also, don't just rely on your rheumatologist - if your RA affects other body systems or you see other specialists (like for medication side effects), get documentation from them too. The more comprehensive your medical file, the better your chances. I'd recommend starting a folder now with copies of all your medical records since your condition worsened - you'll need everything when you apply. The DIBEAR program is definitely worth pursuing in your case. Having that early filing penalty removed could make a significant difference in your monthly income during what's already a challenging time health-wise.

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This is excellent advice about getting comprehensive documentation! I'm just starting to learn about all this and it's a bit overwhelming, but posts like yours really help me understand what I need to focus on. I have my first appointment with my rheumatologist since deciding to pursue this next week, and now I have a much better idea of what specific information to ask for. The point about medication side effects is particularly important - my methotrexate definitely affects my concentration and memory some days. I hadn't thought about documenting that aspect. Thank you for taking the time to share such detailed guidance - it means a lot to someone just beginning this process!

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I'm new to this community but wanted to share my recent experience since it sounds exactly like what you're dealing with! My dad is 81 and just moved to assisted living last month. I live in Oregon, he's in Nevada, and I'm his rep payee. I was so stressed about the address change after spending literally 3 hours on hold with SSA over two different days, only to get disconnected both times. Finally went to my local SSA office here in Portland with all my rep payee documentation, and it was honestly easier than I expected. The clerk was super helpful and said cross-state rep payee requests are totally normal. She processed everything in about 12 minutes and even helped me update his direct deposit account information while I was there (his old bank had closed his branch). One thing that really helped was organizing all my documents in a clear folder beforehand - rep payee approval letter, my ID, his SSN written clearly on a piece of paper, and the new facility address. Having everything ready to go made the whole process much smoother. I know how stressful this is when you're worried about your parent's benefits, but you've got this! Going in person is definitely the right call. Good luck at your Colorado office tomorrow - I'd love to hear how it goes!

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Thank you so much for sharing your experience! It's such a relief to hear from someone who just went through this exact situation. The fact that your clerk said cross-state rep payee requests are totally normal is really reassuring - I was starting to worry after reading that one negative experience earlier in the thread. I love your tip about writing his SSN clearly on a separate piece of paper - that's such a practical detail that I wouldn't have thought of, but it probably saves time fumbling through documents. And it's great that you were able to handle the direct deposit update at the same time! I'll definitely ask about any other account details that might need updating while I'm there. Your organization strategy with the clear folder sounds perfect - I'm going to set that up tonight. Thank you for the encouragement, and I'll definitely update everyone on how it goes!

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I'm new to this community but wanted to share my experience from just last month when I had to help my grandmother with a similar situation. She's 79 and moved from independent living to a nursing home, and I'm her rep payee living three states away. Like everyone else has mentioned, the phone system is absolutely impossible right now - I think I spent over 6 hours total across multiple days trying to get through, only to be disconnected every single time. So frustrating! I ended up going to my local SSA office and it was honestly one of the smoothest bureaucratic experiences I've had in years. The representative was incredibly understanding and said they handle these interstate rep payee situations daily. The whole thing took maybe 20 minutes from start to finish. What really helped me was calling the office the morning of my visit to confirm their walk-in procedures and peak hours. They told me to come right when they opened at 9 AM to avoid the afternoon rush, which was great advice. I brought my photo ID, the original rep payee approval letter, a copy of her new facility agreement showing the address, and her Social Security number written clearly on an index card. Having everything organized and ready made such a difference. One unexpected thing - they also offered to set up mail forwarding from her old address for SSA correspondence, which I hadn't even thought to ask about but was really helpful during the transition period. Your mom is so fortunate to have you advocating for her through this process. The in-person approach is definitely the way to go - you've got this! I'd love to hear how your visit goes tomorrow.

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Thank you so much for sharing your recent experience! It's incredibly helpful to hear from someone who just navigated this exact situation last month. I'm definitely going to call my local office this morning before heading over - that's such smart advice about confirming walk-in procedures and avoiding the afternoon rush. The index card tip for writing her SSN clearly is brilliant too - those little organizational details really do make a difference when you're already nervous about the process. I hadn't even thought about mail forwarding for SSA correspondence, so I'll definitely ask about that while I'm there. It's amazing how many helpful services they offer once you get to speak with someone in person! Your experience gives me so much confidence going into tomorrow. I'll absolutely update everyone on how it goes - this community has been such a lifesaver during this stressful time!

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I'm new to this community and still learning about Social Security benefits, but your situation really highlights how confusing the system can be, especially for complex cases like disabled widow benefits. Reading through all the responses here, it seems like the key points everyone agrees on are: 1. At your Full Retirement Age (likely 67), you'll receive 100% of your husband's benefit amount 2. After FRA, there's no earnings limit - you can work and earn as much as you want 3. The transition from disabled widow to regular widow benefits is mostly administrative 4. Getting everything in writing from SSA is crucial given how inconsistent phone representatives can be What really stands out to me is the suggestion from @Zainab Ibrahim about having SSA calculate benefits based on BOTH your widow's benefits AND your own work record when you reach FRA. Even with limited self-employment income over 11+ years, you might have accumulated enough credits to potentially qualify for a higher benefit on your own record. I think the advice about requesting an appointment with a Technical Expert who specializes in survivor benefits is spot-on. It sounds like regular claims reps often don't have the expertise for these complex situations. Thank you for sharing your experience - it's really educational for those of us trying to understand how these benefits work. I hope you get the clear, consistent answers you deserve soon!

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Hi Kelsey! I'm also pretty new to understanding all these Social Security rules, and this conversation has been such an eye-opener. What strikes me most is how many different people have shared similar stories of getting conflicting information from SSA - it really shows this isn't just an isolated problem. The point about having both scenarios calculated at FRA is brilliant and something I never would have considered. Even "minimal" self-employment income over more than a decade could potentially add up to something meaningful, especially if those earnings were in more recent years when the wage base was higher. I'm also impressed by how supportive this community is. People are sharing not just technical information but also practical strategies like using services to get through to knowledgeable reps faster, or specifically requesting Technical Experts instead of general claims representatives. @Dmitry Petrov - your situation is really helping those of us who are newer to this understand the importance of being persistent advocates for ourselves. The fact that you ve'been dealing with this confusion for months while managing everything else shows incredible strength. I hope the advice here helps you get the clear, written answers you need!

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I'm new to this community and just wanted to say how helpful this entire discussion has been! As someone who's still learning about Social Security benefits, your situation really illustrates how complex these transitions can be. What's most striking to me is how many experienced community members have shared similar stories about getting inconsistent information from SSA representatives. It seems like this is unfortunately a common experience, especially with more complex benefit scenarios like yours. From everything I've read here, the key takeaways seem to be: - At your FRA (likely 67), you should receive 100% of your husband's benefit - After FRA, you can earn unlimited income without penalties - Getting everything documented in writing is absolutely crucial - Having them calculate both your widow's benefits AND your own work record at FRA could potentially reveal higher benefits you're entitled to I'm particularly grateful for the practical advice shared here, like requesting appointments with Technical Experts who specialize in survivor benefits rather than general representatives, and the service mentioned for getting through to knowledgeable SSA agents more quickly. Your persistence in seeking clear answers, despite months of confusion, is really admirable. Thank you for sharing your experience - it's helping people like me understand what to expect and how important it is to be our own advocates when navigating these systems. I hope you get the definitive, written guidance you deserve very soon!

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Hi Evelyn! I'm also new to this community and have been following this discussion with great interest. What really stands out to me is how this conversation demonstrates both the complexity of the Social Security system and the incredible value of peer support in navigating it. @Dmitry Petrov s'situation perfectly illustrates why communities like this are so important - when official channels give conflicting information, having real people share their experiences becomes invaluable. The fact that multiple people have mentioned getting different answers from SSA in the same week really highlights a systemic issue. I m'particularly impressed by how experienced members like @Zainab Ibrahim and @Ava Williams have shared such detailed, actionable advice. The suggestion about calculating both benefit scenarios at FRA could potentially save someone thousands of dollars if their own work record qualifies them for higher benefits. As someone just starting to understand these systems, I m definitely taking'notes on the importance of documentation, requesting Technical Experts, and being persistent. It s clear that'navigating Social Security benefits requires being your own advocate, which can be overwhelming when you re already dealing'with loss and disability. Thank you for sharing your story, Dmitry. Your experience is helping newcomers like us understand what we might face and how to better prepare for it!

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