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Can I get Social Security spousal benefits as a teacher under GPO/WEP if I didn't pay into the system?

So I've been teaching in Ohio for 23 years and contribute to state pension (STRS) instead of Social Security. My husband has worked in the private sector his whole life and has a solid SS record. I'm trying to understand if I can receive any spousal benefits from his work record when we retire in 2027. I've heard conflicting things about the Government Pension Offset (GPO) and Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP). Some people told me I can't get ANY spousal benefits, others say I can get some but it's reduced. I'm not sure if WEP applies to spousal benefits or just my own (not that I'd qualify for my own anyway with only 8 credits). Can someone who understands this complicated mess explain what I'm actually entitled to? I'm 61 and my husband is 63, so we're trying to plan our retirement strategy. Thanks!

Both GPO and WEP will affect you, but in different ways. GPO specifically reduces spouse benefits when you receive a pension from non-covered work (like your teaching position). The reduction is generally 2/3 of your pension amount. So if your teacher's pension is $3,000/month, your Social Security spousal benefit would be reduced by $2,000. If your spousal benefit would have been $1,500, you'd get nothing because the reduction is more than your benefit amount. WEP only affects your own Social Security benefits, not spousal benefits. But since you mentioned you only have 8 credits, you wouldn't qualify for your own retirement benefits anyway (you need 40).

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Amara Nnamani

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Thank you for explaining! So just to make sure I understand correctly - if my teacher pension will be about $4,200/month, and my spousal benefit would normally be around $1,800/month (half of my husband's), then the 2/3 reduction would be $2,800... meaning I'd get nothing from Social Security? That's so frustrating after my husband paid into the system for 40+ years!

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My sister is a teacher in Texas and got NOTHING from her husband's SS even though he paid in for 45 years!!! The system is completely UNFAIR to teachers and other public servants!!

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Dylan Cooper

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I agree the system seems unfair, but technically it's designed to prevent "double-dipping" since teachers in many states don't contribute to Social Security. The original intent was to maintain proportionality between benefits and contributions. Whether that's fair is definitely debatable.

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Sofia Morales

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i think you might still get something depends on the actual numbers when u apply just make sure to tell ssa bout your pension

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Amara Nnamani

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I hope so! I'll definitely be transparent about my pension when I apply. Just trying to get a realistic picture for our retirement planning.

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StarSailor

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As someone who handled this exact situation, I can clarify a few things: 1. GPO will reduce your spousal benefits by 2/3 of your teacher pension amount 2. WEP only applies to your own SS benefits (which you won't get with only 8 credits) 3. If your spousal benefit is completely eliminated by GPO, you might still qualify for survivor benefits if your husband passes away (though those would also be reduced) I recommend you request a calculation from SSA directly. They can give you specific numbers based on your situation. The calculations can be very specific to your exact circumstances.

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Amara Nnamani

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Thank you! I've tried calling SSA multiple times but I keep getting disconnected after waiting for 1-2 hours. Is there a better way to get this information? I really need a personalized calculation to make our retirement plans.

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Dmitry Ivanov

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I was in the same boat last year, trying to figure out my teacher pension and SS situation. I finally used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) to get through to SSA after weeks of frustration. They connected me to an agent in about 15 minutes who calculated my GPO reduction and gave me the exact amount I could expect. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU Based on what you've shared, you might not get any spousal benefits if your pension is large, but at least you'll know for sure instead of guessing.

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Amara Nnamani

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Thank you - I hadn't heard of that service before but I'll definitely check it out. I'm desperate to speak with someone who can give me accurate numbers rather than these general guidelines. Planning retirement is stressful enough without this uncertainty!

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Ava Garcia

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One thing no one has mentioned: if you worked ANY job that paid into Social Security for at least 30 years with substantial earnings, you could be exempt from WEP (though GPO would still apply to spousal benefits). Also, if you have 20-29 years of substantial SS earnings, WEP's effect is reduced. But to be clear, WEP only affects your own benefits, while GPO affects benefits you'd receive from someone else's record (like spousal or survivor). And you need 40 credits (usually 10 years of work) to qualify for your own SS retirement benefits.

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Great point about the 30-year exemption! Though as you noted, it wouldn't help with GPO, which is the main issue for spousal benefits. The system is incredibly complex with all these different rules interacting.

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Sofia Morales

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do u get medicare at least? or do teachers have their own thing for that too?

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StarSailor

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Good question. Non-covered employees like many teachers still qualify for Medicare if they or their spouse paid Medicare taxes for at least 10 years (40 quarters). Medicare eligibility isn't affected by GPO or WEP.

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Amara Nnamani

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Update: I finally got through to SSA after using the Claimyr service that someone suggested. The agent confirmed that with my projected pension of $4,200, I'll get zero spousal benefits (the GPO reduction exceeds what I would receive). However, she explained that if my husband passes away, I might still get some survivor benefits since those can be up to 100% of his benefit (before GPO reduction) instead of the 50% for spousal benefits. She also clarified that if I work a job with Social Security coverage for 5 more years (to get to at least 20 credits), it still won't help me get my own retirement benefit (need 40 credits), but it might slightly improve my situation with survivor benefits later. Knowing the real numbers is frustrating but at least now we can plan appropriately. Thanks everyone for your help!

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Dylan Cooper

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I'm sorry the news wasn't better, but I'm glad you got the information you needed. The GPO/WEP provisions create real challenges for retirement planning for public servants. At least the survivor benefit might provide some support in the future, and now you can make informed decisions.

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