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Can I claim Social Security spousal benefits with CalPERS pension and only 21 work credits?

I'm completely confused about spousal benefits with my CalPERS pension! I'm 67 years old and my husband is 68. He started collecting his Social Security when he was 62, but I've been working for the state and have a CalPERS retirement. I never earned enough Social Security credits on my own - only have 21 quarters of coverage. I know there's that Government Pension Offset (GPO) thing, but does it completely eliminate spousal benefits? Can I claim ANY amount based on my husband's record? I've gotten different answers from friends and am not sure what to believe. Would really appreciate if someone could explain this in simple terms!

Amara Adeyemi

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Unfortunately, the Government Pension Offset (GPO) will likely reduce or eliminate any spousal benefits you might be eligible for. The rule is that your Social Security spousal benefit will be reduced by 2/3 of your government pension amount. So if your CalPERS pension is substantial, you may not receive any SS spousal benefits at all. For example, if your monthly CalPERS pension is $3,000, then $2,000 (2/3 of $3,000) would be deducted from any Social Security spousal benefits you'd otherwise qualify for. Since the maximum spousal benefit is 50% of your husband's FRA benefit amount, and he started early at 62 (meaning his benefit is reduced), your potential spousal benefit might be less than $2,000 to begin with.

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Liam O'Connor

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Thank you for explaining! That's discouraging, though. My CalPERS pension is about $4,200/month, so it sounds like I'd lose any spousal benefits completely? Is there any way around this? Seems so unfair after all those years of working...

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Giovanni Gallo

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my sister has same problem with her teacher pension in texas. she got NOTHING from her husbands ss even tho they been married 35 years!! she was so mad. the windfall thing is a total ripoff if u ask me

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It's actually the Government Pension Offset (GPO), not the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP). They're different provisions. WEP affects your own SS benefits if you have a pension from non-covered work. GPO affects spousal/survivor benefits. But I agree - both provisions feel really unfair to public servants.

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Dylan Wright

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Let me break down the math more precisely for you. You need 40 quarters (credits) to qualify for your own Social Security retirement benefits, so with 21 quarters, you don't qualify for your own benefit. However, you can still potentially qualify for spousal benefits based on your husband's record. The spousal benefit formula is typically up to 50% of your husband's Primary Insurance Amount (PIA), which is what he would receive at his Full Retirement Age (FRA). Since he claimed at 62, his benefit is reduced, but your spousal benefit would be based on his PIA, not his reduced amount. However, as mentioned, GPO will reduce your spousal benefit by 2/3 of your government pension. With a $4,200 CalPERS pension, the offset would be $2,800. If your husband's PIA is less than $5,600 (which is almost certainly the case), then your potential spousal benefit of 50% of his PIA would be completely eliminated by the GPO. Still, I'd recommend contacting SSA directly to get the exact calculation for your situation. There can sometimes be exceptions or details specific to your case.

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Liam O'Connor

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I really appreciate the detailed explanation! My husband's benefit isn't anywhere near $5,600 - it's about $2,100/month now. So it sounds like I'm definitely not eligible for anything. I've tried calling SSA multiple times but can never get through to a live person. It's so frustrating!

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NebulaKnight

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Ugh, don't get me started on the GPO! My mom lost out on thousands because of this rule. She worked as a school administrator for 30 years, then found out she couldn't get my dad's Social Security when he passed away. Almost her entire survivor benefit was wiped out by that 2/3 rule. She had to sell their house and downsize because of it. These rules NEED to change!!!

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Amara Adeyemi

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I understand your frustration. The GPO and WEP rules were created to prevent what Congress saw as "double-dipping" - getting both a government pension from non-Social Security covered employment AND full Social Security benefits. But the way they're implemented often feels punitive to public servants. There are occasionally bills introduced to reform these provisions, but none have passed yet.

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Sofia Ramirez

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Liam O'Connor

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Thank you for the tip! I'll check out that service. Even a small benefit would be helpful - I just want to make sure I'm not leaving money on the table that I'm entitled to. It's so hard to get accurate information!

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Dmitry Popov

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Has anyone tried to get the quarters they need by working part-time after retirement? I heard you can earn 4 quarters per year, and I think the amount needed per quarter in 2025 is around $1,690 in earnings. So theoretically, couldn't the original poster work part-time for 5 years to get the additional 19 quarters needed to reach 40? Then they'd qualify for their own benefit, which wouldn't be subject to GPO (though might be affected by WEP).

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Dylan Wright

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That's technically possible, but likely not beneficial in this case. Even if OP earned the 40 credits to qualify for her own benefit, it would be extremely small based on just those minimum earnings. And then the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) would reduce that small benefit even further. Plus, at 67, the OP would need to work until 72 to earn those additional credits. The time and effort involved would almost certainly not be worth the minimal benefit that would result. Better to focus on other retirement planning strategies at this point.

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Liam O'Connor

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I called SSA this morning after several attempts and got through using that Claimyr service someone mentioned. The agent confirmed what you all said - with my CalPERS pension, I'll get $0 in spousal benefits because of the GPO. I was hoping there might be some loophole or exception, but apparently not. I appreciate everyone's help explaining this. At least now I understand the rules better and can stop wondering if I'm missing out on benefits I deserve. My husband and I will just need to budget accordingly with what we have.

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Amara Adeyemi

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Glad you were able to get definitive information! That's always the most important first step. While the GPO rules may seem unfair, understanding where you stand helps with planning. Since you're already at your Full Retirement Age, there aren't many claiming strategies left to consider, but make sure you understand survivor benefits too - if your husband passes away before you, you might be eligible for a partial survivor benefit depending on the numbers (survivor benefits are also subject to GPO, but are higher than spousal benefits).

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