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I'm in a very similar situation and really appreciate all the detailed responses here! As someone who's been following WEP reform efforts closely, I wanted to add that the Social Security Fairness Act (H.R. 82/S. 393) actually passed the House in late 2023 with strong bipartisan support but stalled in the Senate due to concerns about the $196 billion price tag over 10 years. The compromise bill mentioned earlier - the Public Servants Protection and Fairness Act - is indeed more realistic because it provides substantial relief while costing significantly less. It would replace the current WEP formula with a proportional one that's fairer to people with mixed earnings histories like teachers and firefighters. For anyone affected by this, I'd strongly recommend joining advocacy groups like the National Association of Retired Federal Employees (NARFE) or calling your senators directly. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, and sustained pressure from constituents really does influence legislative priorities. We're closer to meaningful WEP reform than we've ever been, but it's going to take continued advocacy to get it across the finish line.

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This is really encouraging to hear that there's actual momentum behind reform efforts! I had no idea the Social Security Fairness Act made it through the House - that's significant progress even if it stalled in the Senate. The fact that there's now a more realistic compromise proposal gives me some hope that we might actually see meaningful change in the next few years. I'll definitely look into joining NARFE and reaching out to my senators. You're absolutely right that sustained pressure makes a difference. After reading through all these responses, I'm feeling much more informed about both my immediate options (verifying my earnings record, considering delayed filing) and the longer-term advocacy efforts. Thanks for the detailed update on where things stand legislatively - it's exactly the kind of current information I was hoping to find!

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I'm dealing with this exact same WEP nightmare! Been a federal employee for 28 years and just learned I'm going to lose about $400/month in SS benefits when I retire next year. What really gets me is that I paid into Social Security for 15 years before joining the government, but now I'm being "penalized" for having a decent pension. One thing I discovered that might help others here - if you have access to your agency's retirement counselor or financial planner, definitely take advantage of that service. Mine helped me understand how the WEP calculation actually works with my specific earnings history and showed me some strategies I hadn't considered, like the possibility of working part-time in SS-covered employment after retirement to add more substantial earnings years. Also wanted to echo what others said about contacting Congress. I've been writing to my representatives quarterly for the past two years, and their staff actually responds with updates on the legislative status. It may feel futile, but they do track how many constituents are contacting them about specific issues, and WEP affects a lot of voters in key districts. The whole system is fundamentally unfair to public servants who worked multiple careers, but at least there seems to be more awareness and momentum for change than there was even five years ago. Hang in there!

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Thanks for sharing your federal employee perspective on this! It's really frustrating how the WEP penalizes people who had the "audacity" to work in both private and public sectors during their careers. I never thought about using agency retirement counselors - that's a great resource I should tap into. Your point about the quarterly letters to Congress is motivating too. I've been meaning to reach out but kept putting it off thinking it wouldn't matter. Knowing that they actually track constituent contacts on specific issues makes me feel like it's worth the effort. Plus hearing that there's more momentum now than five years ago gives me hope that we might actually see some relief before it's too late to benefit from it. I'm going to start writing those letters and make it a regular thing. Thanks for the encouragement!

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This is such a common issue that catches people off guard! I went through something similar with my mom's state pension. Here's what I learned from our experience: 1. **Call the SSA field office directly** - don't use the 800 number if you can help it. They're much more knowledgeable about WEP cases. 2. **Bring ALL documentation** - pension statements showing the original amount and each COLA increase with dates. This makes the process much smoother. 3. **Ask about the "de minimis" rule** - sometimes very small pension increases don't actually change your WEP reduction if you're already at the maximum reduction amount. 4. **Request a benefit verification letter** after they update everything so you have proof of the correct benefit amount going forward. The good news is that most SSA offices are understanding when it's clearly an honest mistake and you're being proactive about fixing it. They deal with WEP confusion all the time. Don't panic - just get it sorted out as soon as you can!

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This is really helpful advice! I especially appreciate the tip about the "de minimis" rule - I had no idea that small increases might not actually affect the WEP calculation. That gives me some hope that maybe the impact won't be as bad as I'm fearing. I'm definitely going to call the local field office first thing Monday morning with all our documentation ready. Thank you for sharing your experience!

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I'm a newcomer here but dealing with a similar WEP situation with my wife's teacher pension. Reading through all these responses has been incredibly eye-opening - I had no idea we were supposed to report COLA increases either! For those asking about the Claimyr service mentioned earlier, I actually used them last month for a different SSA issue and they are legitimate. It's basically a callback service that gets you connected faster than waiting on hold. You pay a small fee but honestly it was worth it to avoid the typical nightmare of trying to reach SSA. @Ava Thompson - definitely don't panic about the potential overpayment. From what I've learned, SSA is usually reasonable about honest mistakes, especially when you're being proactive about fixing it. The key is getting ahead of it rather than waiting for them to discover it during a routine review. One thing I'd add to all the great advice here: make sure to ask SSA for written confirmation of whatever they tell you about reporting requirements going forward. That way you have documentation if there's any confusion later about what you were told to do.

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If you have 40+ quarters of Social Security coverage as you mentioned, make sure that's properly documented in your earnings record. Sometimes quarters get missed in the system. I've seen cases where correcting the earnings record resulted in a reduction of the WEP penalty even under the old rules. You can check your lifetime earnings record in your mySocialSecurity account. If you see any years missing or with incorrect amounts, gather documentation (W-2s, tax returns) and submit a correction request. This might help regardless of how the new law is implemented.

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That's good advice. I just checked my record and there actually are two years in the 1990s that show zero earnings when I definitely worked those summers. I'll need to dig through my old paperwork and see if I can find proof. Thank you!

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I'm in a similar situation as a retired postal worker who also had a second career teaching. The WEP reduction hit me hard too - about $380 per month less than what I was expecting based on my SS statement. From what I've been able to piece together from various sources, the new law does include current WEP beneficiaries, but we're looking at a gradual phase-in starting in 2026. The key thing is that they're changing from the current "substantial earnings" threshold system to a more proportional calculation that should be fairer to people like us who paid into both systems. One thing that might help while we wait - if you haven't already, request a detailed breakdown of how your WEP reduction was calculated. Sometimes there are errors in how they counted your "substantial earnings years" that can be corrected. I found one error in mine that reduced my penalty by about $50/month. The waiting is frustrating, but at least it sounds like there's light at the end of the tunnel for those of us already dealing with WEP reductions.

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My mother-in-law went through this whole mess last year and finally just gave up trying to understand it. She's a retired Texas teacher and just accepted the lower amount rather than fighting the system. These formulas are designed to be so complicated that normal people just give up. Meanwhile Congress keeps "promising" to fix it but never does. Been going on for decades.

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Don't give up! It's worth understanding your rights under the current system even while advocating for change. I recommend the booklet "WEP: A Guide for Educators" published by the NEA. It explains everything in plain language and gives strategies for maximizing your benefits under current law. Your state education association might have free copies.

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I'm also a retired educator dealing with WEP - taught high school math in Virginia for 32 years before retiring in 2022. What helped me was creating a detailed timeline of ALL my work history, including exact dates and earnings from every job where I paid into Social Security. I found old W-2s, tax returns, and even contacted previous employers for records. When I finally got through to SSA with this documentation, they were able to verify I actually had 25 years of "substantial earnings" which reduced my WEP penalty significantly. The key is being persistent and organized. Also, don't rely on just phone calls - the online "my Social Security" account shows your complete earnings record which you can review for accuracy. If you find errors in your earnings history, you can request corrections with proper documentation. It's frustrating but worth the effort to ensure you're getting every dollar you've earned!

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This is incredibly helpful advice! I'm definitely going to dig through my old records and create that timeline you mentioned. I never thought to check my online Social Security account for errors in my earnings history - that's a great tip. It's encouraging to hear that being organized and persistent actually paid off for you. Did you find any errors in your earnings record when you reviewed it online? I'm wondering if that might be part of my issue too.

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Yes, I actually found two significant errors in my earnings record! One year from the early 1990s was completely missing (apparently a W-2 never got reported properly), and another year showed about $3,000 less than what I actually earned. Both of those years ended up qualifying as "substantial earnings" once corrected, which helped reduce my WEP penalty. The correction process took about 6 months and required me to submit old tax returns and W-2s as proof, but it was worth an extra $85 per month in benefits. I'd definitely recommend printing out your entire earnings history from the SSA website and cross-checking it against any old records you can find - even small corrections can make a difference in the WEP calculation!

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UPDATE: I called SSA this morning (thanks for the Claimyr tip - it worked perfectly!) and got confirmation that I do qualify for spousal benefits even without having 40 quarters myself. The agent said my benefit would be about $1,375 per month if I apply now at 67, which is just over 40% of what my wife would get at her full retirement age. Apparently the reduction is because she took benefits early at 62. Still, this is a huge help for our budget! The agent also confirmed that any future changes to WEP would potentially increase my wife's benefit, which could then increase my spousal benefit too. Thanks everyone for your help!

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That's fantastic news, Shelby! Thanks for sharing the update - it's really helpful to hear real experiences like this. $1,375 per month is definitely significant for your household budget. Just wanted to add a few points for anyone else reading this thread: 1. Even though your spousal benefit is reduced because your wife took early retirement, you're still getting a solid amount 2. If/when WEP changes do happen, your wife's benefit could increase substantially, and yes, that would boost your spousal benefit too 3. For others in similar situations - don't assume you can't get benefits just because you're short on quarters. Spousal benefits are a real lifeline for many couples Also glad to hear Claimyr worked for you! It's frustrating how hard it can be to reach SSA these days. Congrats on getting this sorted out and having more financial security going forward.

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This is such a great outcome! I'm in a somewhat similar situation - my husband has a teacher's pension and I'm short on quarters myself. Reading your experience gives me hope that we might have options too. Quick question: did the SSA agent mention anything about timing? Like, is there any advantage to applying sooner rather than later, or any deadlines I should be aware of? Thanks for sharing all these details - it's so much more helpful than trying to decode the official SSA website!

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