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the whole social security system is just so confusing! i never know what benefits im eligible for. i think most people dont realize how different the rules are for survivor benefits vs divorced spouse benefits vs disability benefits etc. and then theres all these weird exceptions and special rules. no wonder everyone gets confused!
I KNOW RIGHT? And the worst part is when you try to get clear information directly from SSA, you can't even get through to them! I spent HOURS on hold just to speak to someone who seemed just as confused as I was. The whole system needs an overhaul. There shouldn't be these arbitrary cutoffs like the 10-year rule that can devastate someone's financial future over a matter of MONTHS.
To summarize what everyone has said regarding your situation: 1) For divorced spouse retirement benefits, you must have been married at least 10 years - being 4 months short means you don't qualify, regardless of having children together. 2) Your current marriage would disqualify you anyway (unless it ends before you apply). 3) The benefit your sister likely received was either: - Mother's benefits while caring for young children - Survivor benefits if her ex died (which have different rules) To maximize your retirement income now: - Ensure you work long enough to replace those zero years in your earnings record - Consider maximizing retirement account contributions - Look into whether your current marriage (if it lasts 10+ years) might provide spousal benefits - Consider delaying your own retirement benefits to increase your monthly amount
Thank you for this clear summary! It's disappointing about the 10-year rule being so strict, but at least now I understand what happened with my sister and what my own options are. I appreciate everyone taking the time to explain the different types of benefits - it makes so much more sense now. I'll focus on building up my own record and saving more aggressively for retirement.
my wife got one of those random payments and it turned out it was back pay for the medicare premium adjustment thing. do you have medicare too? might be that
did anybody else notice they're doing these adjustments way later than usual this year? my dad got his in january but i just got mine last week. ssa is so disorganized lol
I'm so glad I found this thread because my situation is kinda similar! My ex worked for the county while I worked regular jobs with SS taxes. Getting divorced in 2 months and will get part of his pension. Was worried about this exact issue!
Thank you all for your helpful responses! I've scheduled an in-person appointment at my local SSA office next week and prepared a list of questions based on your suggestions. I'll ask for written confirmation and the specific POMS references. I'm also going to look into working those additional 2 years to reach 30 years of substantial earnings - that seems like the safest approach. I'll update this thread after my appointment in case it helps someone else in a similar situation.
That sounds like a solid plan! Please do update us after your appointment. These complex WEP/GPO situations can be so confusing, and real-world experiences help everyone navigate the system better. Good luck!
Thanks everyone for the helpful responses! This clears up a lot of my confusion. I'm going to take that consulting job and not worry about an earnings limit. I'll talk to my tax person about possibly making estimated quarterly payments to cover the extra income and maybe adjusting my withholding on my Social Security benefits too. Really appreciate all the explanations!
I just wanted to apologize for my earlier response. I was confusing the rules before and after FRA. My husband was still 6 months away from his FRA when he went back to work, which is why he saw a reduction. Thank you to everyone who provided the correct information!
we all get confused with these complicated rules! the SSA website makes it so hard to understand anything!!
One important thing to note: there's a difference between "they want the money back because it was paid in error" and "they paid you correctly but made a mistake in their records." If multiple SSA reps have confirmed the money is legitimately yours, it's extremely unlikely they would reverse course. In my 15 years working with SSDI recipients, I've never seen a properly-confirmed Medicare premium refund get reversed. While waiting for documentation, I suggest setting aside about 30% of the money in a separate savings account just as a precaution, but you should be able to use the rest. Document every conversation - date, time, rep name if possible, and what they told you. This can serve as evidence if there's ever a question later.
Setting aside 30% as a precaution is a really smart approach that I hadn't thought of. I could use the rest for my immediate needs while still having peace of mind. Thank you for this practical suggestion!
Just realized something - check your Medicare Summary Notices from the past few months! My uncle had a similar situation and they actually had a tiny note at the bottom of page 3 on his Medicare Summary Notice that mentioned the premium adjustment. Most people never read those things all the way through! Might be worth digging through your mail or logging into your Medicare.gov account to check your recent MSNs.
I'll definitely look through my Medicare notices! I usually just glance at them, so I could have easily missed something. Great suggestion!
This happened to my brother and sister-in-law too. You know what they did? They filed taxes separately for a few years until she retired. Might be worth looking into.
Filing separately can work in some cases, but often ends up costing more in overall taxes due to losing other tax benefits available to joint filers. For 2025, married filing separately still subjects SS benefits to taxation if income exceeds just $0 (vs. $32,000 for joint filers). Plus you lose many deductions and credits. Always run the numbers both ways before deciding.
Thank you all for the helpful advice! I've increased my 401(k) contributions to the maximum allowed with catch-up provisions to reduce our AGI, and we've scheduled a meeting with a tax professional to explore all our options. I also used Claimyr to speak with an SSA representative who confirmed everything you all mentioned about the taxation thresholds. While it's frustrating that so much of my husband's benefit will be taxed while I'm working, at least now we can budget accordingly and explore strategies to minimize the impact. I appreciate all your insights!
Why does ANYONE want to delay benefits??? I started mine the MINUTE I was eligible at 62. That's FIVE YEARS of checks you're missing out on! My neighbor waited until 70 and then DIED at 72!! All that money left on the table. Take it when you can get it people!!!
While that works for some people, delaying benefits increases your monthly amount by approximately 8% per year from FRA until age 70. This can be beneficial for those with longer life expectancies or who are still working. Everyone's situation is different, and there's no one-size-fits-all answer when it comes to when to start Social Security benefits.
I appreciate your perspective, but I'm still working full-time and would face the earnings test if I claimed before my FRA. Since I'll be at FRA in May 2025, waiting until June makes the most financial sense for my situation. But I definitely understand wanting to get benefits sooner!
i had the same issue but mine was stuck with a date from 2 years ago lol. ended up having to call and the lady fixed it for me after i waited forever. good luck
Thanks for sharing your experience. It sounds like one way or another I'll need to connect with a real person at SSA to get this resolved properly.
Does the ex have to be retired for her to get these benefits? My kid's father is 65 but still working and I'm 61 with our disabled daughter.
The ex-spouse must be entitled to retirement or disability benefits for you to collect divorced spouse benefits. If he's 65 but hasn't filed for his own benefits yet, you can't receive benefits on his record. However, if he's at least 62 and you've been divorced for at least 2 years, you may qualify under the "independently entitled divorced spouse" rule even if he hasn't filed yet.
Thank you all for the great information! I've helped my sister make an appointment with SSA. We'll make sure to bring documentation about her son's disability status and her caregiving role. It sounds like she should be eligible for the full 50% without reduction, minus any adjustment for her part-time earnings. One last question - will she need her ex's SSN for the application or can SSA find that information based on her son's existing benefit?
Since her son is already receiving benefits on the ex's record, SSA already has all the necessary information linked in their system. She doesn't need to provide the ex's SSN again. But she should bring her own ID, the child's ID, proof of the child's disability (medical records, prior SSA determination letters), and documentation showing she provides care for the child. Also, having her divorce decree on hand may be helpful, though not always required if the relationship is already established in SSA's system through the child's benefit.
Has anyone received retro payments when they applied for spousal benefits? Like if she qualifies now but didn't know to apply?
Yes, but retroactive benefits for spousal are only payable for up to 6 months prior to application date, not back to when you were first eligible. And since she's already on benefits, she would need to contact SSA to have them check if she qualifies for the additional amount - it's not always automatic in practice even though it should be.
I just wanted to update everyone - I finally got through to SSA this morning after trying for days! The agent confirmed I do qualify for a small additional spousal benefit of about $245/month. Not huge, but definitely helpful. They're processing it now and said it should start with my next payment. Thanks everyone for your help explaining this complicated system!
Nina Chan
My husband and i both claimed at 62. The benefit increases from our continued work were pretty small tbh. Maybe like $15-25 a month extra each year. Better than nothing but not life changing. Just sharing our experience.
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Tami Morgan
•Thanks for sharing your real experience. I guess the increases depend on how much your current earnings exceed your previous earnings in your calculation. Still, every bit helps in retirement!
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Diego Castillo
One more thing to consider in your planning: if your current earnings are significantly higher than earlier in your career, working even just 1-2 years past age 62 before filing might give you a better long-term outcome than filing at 62 while working. This is because those high-earning years would immediately be included in your initial benefit calculation rather than being added through recalculations later. The early filing reduction is permanent (apart from the adjustment at FRA for withheld benefits), so starting with the highest possible base amount can be advantageous.
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Haley Bennett
•This is actually what I wish I'd done! Filed at like 63 or 64 instead of 62. My benefit would have been higher from the start AND I wouldn't have had to deal with the earnings limit for as long. Learn from my mistake!
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