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My father is 96 years old and currently receives Railroad Retirement benefits. When he retired decades ago, he told me they combined his Railroad benefits with "a little bit of Social Security" to give him the better payment option at that time. I've been hearing about some new law that might allow retirees to get their full Social Security benefits even if they're already getting Railroad Retirement. Is this true? Can my dad apply for his full Social Security benefit now, separate from his Railroad Retirement? His monthly expenses have gone up so much and every dollar would help at this point. I'm trying to help him navigate all this without confusing him, as his memory isn't what it used to be. Has anyone successfully switched or added full SS benefits to their RRB payments recently?
I'm 63 and trying to understand how the SSA calculator works when estimating future benefits. When I look at my estimated benefits online, I'm confused about what assumptions it's making. Does the calculator automatically assume I'll keep working at my current income level ($68,500/year) until my full retirement age? I noticed when I manually change future earnings to zero, my estimated monthly benefit drops by about $270. Is this correct or am I missing something? I'm trying to decide if I can afford to stop working before my FRA but these different numbers are really throwing me off.
To add to my earlier comment, there's another factor to consider: when you input zero for future earnings, the calculator is showing you what your benefit would be if you filed for benefits RIGHT NOW at your current age (63). If you plan to stop working now but delay filing until your FRA, your benefit would be higher than what the calculator shows with zeros. This is because while you wouldn't be adding more earnings, you'd get the delayed retirement credits by waiting to file. The SSA calculator doesn't handle this scenario well - it assumes you start benefits when you stop working unless you specifically indicate otherwise. For the most accurate estimate, you might want to use the detailed calculator on the SSA website rather than the quick calculator.
That's a REALLY important distinction I hadn't considered! So I could stop working now at 63, wait until my FRA at 67 to claim, and get a higher amount than what shows when I put in zeros? I definitely need to look at that detailed calculator.
@Miranda Singer Yes, exactly! If you stop working at 63 but wait until your FRA at 67 to claim benefits, you d'avoid the early retirement reduction penalty which (can be up to 25-30% if you claim at 62-63 .)The benefit amount would be based on your earnings history up to age 63, but you d'get the full unreduced benefit by waiting until 67. This could be a sweet spot if you can afford to bridge those 4 years without Social Security income. Just make sure you factor in healthcare costs if you lose employer insurance!
My husband passed away last month and I'm trying to figure out the best strategy for Social Security benefits. I just reached my full retirement age (66 and 10 months), but I'm still working full-time as a nurse. My husband was already collecting his retirement benefits at his FRA when he died. Looking at my Social Security statement, my own benefit at 70 would be about $2,875, while his survivor benefit would be around $2,790 now. I've read conflicting information online - some saying I can collect survivor benefits now and then switch to my own higher retirement benefit at 70, others saying I have to take the higher of the two. Can someone clarify if this strategy is allowed? Would working affect my survivor benefits? I'm so confused about the best approach here.
Thank you all for the helpful responses! I'm going to call SSA tomorrow and specifically request survivor benefits only. I'll make sure to use the phrase "restricting the scope of my application" as suggested. It's so frustrating that there's so much conflicting information out there, even from SSA representatives themselves.
I'm so sorry for your loss, Seraphina. I went through something very similar when my spouse passed away 2 years ago. Based on my experience and what others have shared here, you're definitely on the right track with this strategy. One additional tip that helped me: when you call SSA, try calling right when they open at 8 AM or during lunch hours (around 12-1 PM) - I found those times had shorter wait times. Also, if you get a representative who seems unsure about the survivor-to-retirement benefit switch, politely ask to speak with a supervisor or someone who specializes in survivor benefits. The folks here are right about being very specific with your language. I actually wrote down exactly what I wanted to say before I called: "I am applying for survivor benefits only at this time, and I want to restrict the scope of my application to survivor benefits. I plan to switch to my own retirement benefit at age 70." The process took about 2 months from application to first payment for me, so don't be discouraged if it seems slow. Keep all your paperwork and get confirmation numbers for everything. You've got this!
I'm really confused about this new WEP/GPO elimination bill that passed. From what I understand, government workers who didn't pay into Social Security during their careers will now get to keep 100% of both their government pension AND Social Security benefits? Meanwhile, I've worked for a state university (non-federal) for 22 years and will have a pension of about $2,100/month when I retire next year. I've had Social Security taxes taken from every paycheck my entire working life, including my university job. But since my job is state and not federal, am I understanding correctly that I won't benefit from this WEP/GPO elimination? It seems deeply unfair that people who never paid into SS will now get full benefits while those of us who DID pay in don't get any extra benefit from this change. Can someone please explain what I'm missing here? I feel like I must be misunderstanding something fundamental about how this new law works.
This has been such an educational thread! As someone new to understanding Social Security, I was initially confused like Evelyn about who benefits from the WEP/GPO elimination. Reading everyone's personal experiences really clarified things for me. It sounds like this law fixes a legitimate unfairness where people who worked split careers (some jobs with SS, some without) were being penalized even though they earned benefits from both systems. The gradual phase-out approach over 5 years seems reasonable too. Thanks to everyone who shared their stories - it really helps newcomers like me understand these complex policies!
As someone completely new to Social Security, this thread has been incredibly educational! I came in with similar confusion to @636c4a2971ed - I had no idea that many government jobs don't pay into Social Security at all, or that people could be penalized for working in both types of employment. The personal stories really helped me understand the real impact: @185b7cc3e99e losing $750/month despite 20 years of SS contributions, @0102a303a458's wife getting almost nothing from her SS payments because of her teaching pension, and @f59779e06f95's brother-in-law having his benefits slashed by 60%. These examples show this wasn't about giving free benefits to people who never paid in - it was about fixing unfair penalties on people who earned benefits from multiple systems. The technical explanations from @701b0c41f1c8 and @d4ba18f09350 about WEP vs GPO were really helpful too. I'm glad they're finally phasing out these provisions, even if it takes 5 years. Thanks everyone for such a clear discussion of this complex topic!
@af1c577db22f Exactly! As yet another newcomer to this topic, I was struck by how this entire thread transformed my understanding. Like you and @636c4a2971ed, I initially thought this was about giving benefits to people who hadn't earned them, but the reality is so different. What really got to me was @5405fa7ab1d2's story about his aunt losing almost all her survivor benefits despite paying taxes from other jobs - that's just heartbreaking and completely unfair. The technical breakdown from @701b0c41f1c8 about WEP reducing your own benefits vs GPO reducing spousal/survivor benefits was super helpful too. It's amazing how many people have been quietly dealing with these penalties for years. @5405fa7ab1d2's tip about using Claimyr to actually get through to Social Security seems really valuable for anyone still trying to understand how these changes affect them personally. This whole discussion shows how important it is to have real people explain complex policies rather than just reading confusing government websites!
I'm 62 and currently receiving Social Security survivor benefits after my husband passed away last year. I'm not yet at my Full Retirement Age, which I know means I'm subject to the earnings limit. My question is about selling stuff around my house on eBay. I'm trying to downsize for an eventual move to a smaller place and have a lot of collectibles, clothes, and household items I no longer need. Does SSA consider money from selling my personal belongings on eBay as "earnings" that count toward the annual limit? I'm not running a business or buying things to resell - just getting rid of my own possessions. I'd hate to accidentally trigger an overpayment situation, but I also need to declutter before I can move. Has anyone dealt with this before? Thanks for any insights!
To summarize what's been discussed: Casual selling of personal possessions on eBay generally doesn't count as earnings for the Social Security earnings test that applies to survivor benefits before FRA. However: 1. If your selling activity becomes regular enough to be considered a business, it could count as self-employment income 2. If you receive a 1099-K for sales over $600 in a year, be prepared to explain on your tax return that these were personal items sold at a loss 3. Keep basic records of what you sold and that these were personal items owned for some time 4. Space out listings if selling multiple similar items to avoid appearing like a business This situation is common, and SSA understands the difference between disposing of personal property versus running a business.
I'm going through a similar situation right now! I'm 59 and on survivor benefits, and I've been slowly selling things on eBay as I prepare to downsize. Based on my research and conversations with SSA, selling personal belongings you've owned for years definitely doesn't count toward the earnings limit. The key is that you're not buying items to resell or running it like a business. One thing I've found helpful is keeping a simple spreadsheet of what I sell - just the item, sale price, and a note that it was a personal possession. Nothing fancy, but it gives me peace of mind in case there are ever any questions. Also, most of my items sell for way less than what I originally paid anyway! The downsizing process is emotionally tough, but it's also been kind of freeing to let go of things that were just taking up space. Good luck with your move - you're definitely on the right track asking these questions upfront!
Freya Collins
One last thing to consider - if your father has limited income and resources despite his RRB benefits, he should definitely apply for the Medicare Savings Programs. They can help pay Medicare premiums and in some cases deductibles and copayments. This could free up a significant amount of his monthly income. Also, many states have pharmaceutical assistance programs for seniors that can help with medication costs beyond what Medicare Part D covers. These programs won't increase his RRB payment directly, but they can effectively increase his available monthly income by reducing his healthcare expenses.
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Lucas Schmidt
AuthorThank you for these suggestions! I think the Medicare Savings Program might really help. I'm going to call the RRB first to understand exactly what he's currently receiving, and then look into these assistance programs. I appreciate everyone's help!
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Amara Okafor
I'm so sorry your father is struggling with rising expenses - it's heartbreaking to watch our elderly parents face financial stress. Based on what everyone has shared here, it sounds like there isn't a "new law" that would allow switching from RRB to separate Social Security benefits, but there are definitely some concrete steps you can take to help increase his available income. The suggestions about Medicare Extra Help, Medicare Savings Programs, and pharmaceutical assistance are really valuable. Also, don't forget to check if your state has a Property Tax Exemption or Freeze program for seniors - that could save hundreds per month depending on where he lives. One more thing: if he's a veteran or his spouse was a veteran, he might qualify for Aid & Attendance benefits through the VA, which can provide additional monthly income for seniors who need help with daily activities. You're being such a good advocate for your dad. Even though the RRB situation might not change, these assistance programs could make a real difference in his monthly budget.
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