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I've been dealing with the same confusion with my small pottery business! After reading through all these responses and doing my own research, it's definitely NET income you should report. I made the mistake of reporting gross for my first few certifications and was basically cheating myself out of benefits I was entitled to. The way I think about it now - if I sell $500 worth of pottery but spent $300 on clay, glazes, kiln firing, and shipping, I only actually "earned" $200 that week. That's what unemployment cares about - your actual profit, not your total sales. I finally got through to an agent last week (took forever calling directly) and she confirmed this is correct. She also mentioned that if you've been reporting wrong, you can usually get it corrected by explaining the confusion. The system really should make this clearer though - so many people are struggling with the same question! Keep detailed records of everything - receipts, materials costs, platform fees, shipping. If they ever audit you, you'll need to prove your expenses were legitimate business costs. Good luck with your Etsy shop!
Thank you so much for sharing your experience! It's really reassuring to hear from someone else who went through the exact same confusion. I was starting to feel like I was the only one struggling with this. Your pottery example makes it super clear - I'm definitely going to start thinking about it that way. How did you finally manage to get through to an agent? I've been trying the regular phone line with no luck. Also, when you say they can correct past certifications, did you have to provide all your expense documentation right away or was it more of a simple adjustment?
@Zainab Abdulrahman This is such helpful advice! I ve'been making pottery as a hobby for years and just started selling pieces online recently. Your example about the $500 sales vs $200 actual profit really clicked for me. I ve'been so stressed about reporting this correctly since I got laid off from my teaching job last month. Did the agent give you any specific guidance about timing - like if I make a piece one week but don t'sell it until the next week, which week do I report the income in? Also curious how long the correction process took for your past certifications?
I'm in a similar situation with my freelance graphic design work while on unemployment! After reading all these responses, I'm convinced it's NET income we should report. The confusion is real though - I called NY unemployment 4 times and got 3 different answers from different agents. What finally made it click for me was thinking about it like taxes. When you file as self-employed, you report your profit after business expenses on Schedule C, not your gross receipts. Unemployment should work the same way since they're both government programs looking at your actual earnings. I've been keeping a weekly spreadsheet tracking my income and expenses - client payments minus software subscriptions, equipment costs, home office expenses, etc. It's tedious but worth it for peace of mind. One thing I learned the hard way - make sure you're reporting income in the week you actually DO the work, not when you get paid for it. I had a client pay me $800 for a project I completed 3 weeks earlier, and I almost reported it in the wrong week. The whole system is unnecessarily confusing but at least we're all figuring it out together! Good luck with your jewelry business - handmade Etsy shops are so much work but really rewarding.
I wanted to share some practical tips that helped me when I applied as an independent contractor last year. Beyond all the great documentation advice already shared, here are a few things that made my process smoother: 1. Create a simple cover letter explaining your situation in plain English - attach it with your documents. I wrote a one-page summary explaining that my client reduced my hours involuntarily due to budget cuts, included before/after income figures, and emphasized my availability for full-time work. 2. Number and label all your supporting documents clearly (Contract-1, BankStatement-Jan2024, etc.). This makes it easier for reviewers to cross-reference everything. 3. If you have any text messages or informal communications about the hour reduction, screenshot those too. I had WhatsApp messages from my client explaining the situation that really helped my case. 4. Consider getting a letter from your client confirming the hour reduction was due to their business needs, not your performance or availability. Mine was willing to provide this and I think it strengthened my application. The whole process took about 5 weeks for me, but having everything organized upfront definitely helped avoid delays. Don't get discouraged by the extra hoops - it's worth it if you qualify! Good luck to everyone applying.
These are fantastic practical tips, QuantumLeap! The cover letter idea is brilliant - having a clear, one-page summary right upfront could really help the reviewer understand the situation quickly instead of having to piece it together from various documents. I definitely have some text messages from my client about the budget situation that I hadn't thought to include, so I'll screenshot those. The suggestion about getting a letter from the client confirming the reduction was due to their business needs is really smart too - I think my client would be willing to provide something like that since they've been pretty transparent about their budget constraints. Your document numbering and labeling system also makes total sense for keeping everything organized. It's encouraging to hear another 5-week timeline - that seems to be pretty consistent across successful applications. Thanks for sharing these actionable tips!
I've been following this thread as someone who recently went through the NY unemployment process as an independent contractor, and I wanted to add a few thoughts that might help others in similar situations. One thing I noticed from reading everyone's experiences is how important timing can be. If you're considering applying, don't wait too long - there are specific timeframes for when you can file, and delays can sometimes complicate your case. Also, while everyone's focusing on the documentation (which is absolutely crucial), don't overlook the importance of how you present your case in the initial application. When describing your work situation, be very clear about the involuntary nature of the hour reduction. Use specific language like "client-initiated reduction due to budget constraints" rather than vague terms. The reviewers see a lot of applications, so making your case crystal clear from the start can help avoid unnecessary back-and-forth. One more thing - if you do get approved, keep detailed records of every weekly certification. I've seen people run into issues months later because they couldn't back up their reported earnings. Create a simple spreadsheet tracking your weekly hours, earnings, and work search activities from day one. The process definitely has its challenges, but seeing all these success stories should give hope to anyone in this situation. Good luck to everyone navigating this!
I went through this exact same confusion when I filed my claim earlier this year! The NY DOL really needs to update their website language because "identification number" is so vague. It's definitely your Social Security Number - just the 9 digits without any dashes or spaces. I remember stressing about this too, but once you enter your SSN correctly, the rest of the application flows much smoother. One tip: have your most recent W-2 or pay stub ready because you'll need employment information in the next steps. Don't worry, you're almost through the hardest part of getting your claim started!
This is so reassuring to read! I was getting really worried that I might mess something up right from the start. Thanks for mentioning the W-2/pay stub tip - I'll make sure to have those documents ready before I continue with the application. It's amazing how much stress a simple wording issue can cause, but knowing that others have successfully navigated this exact same confusion makes me feel much more confident about moving forward with my claim.
I just filed my unemployment claim with NY DOL last week and ran into this exact same issue! The "identification number" field is definitely referring to your Social Security Number. I spent way too much time overthinking it and looking through old employee handbooks for some mysterious ID number that doesn't exist. Just enter your 9-digit SSN without any dashes, spaces, or formatting. The system accepted it immediately and I was able to move on to the next section. It's frustrating that the NY DOL website uses such confusing language, but don't let it stress you out - you're on the right track!
quick question - did you find the rover gig on your own or did unemployment send you there? trying to find some side work myself
Just wanted to add - make sure you're keeping detailed records of your actual work activities for each day! I learned the hard way that unemployment can ask for documentation if they audit your claim. I use a simple note-taking app to track feeding times, walks, any cleaning, etc. Takes like 2 minutes but covers you if they ever question your reported hours. Better safe than sorry!
CosmicCowboy
UPDATE: I went to the career center this morning and got exactly what I needed! They printed a UI Monetary Benefit Determination letter showing my claim details including the end date of September 6th. Took about 45 minutes total with the wait. The staff was really helpful. Thanks everyone for your suggestions!
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Ravi Malhotra
•That's awesome! Glad it worked out for you. In-person is definitely the way to go with these kinds of things.
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Emma Thompson
•Thanks for the update! I'm gonna try the same thing tomorrow.
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Mason Kaczka
For anyone else dealing with this, I just want to add that if you're in a time crunch like I was last month, you can also try contacting your local assemblyperson's office. They often have direct lines to state agencies and can help expedite document requests. I got my unemployment end date letter within 2 business days after their office made a call on my behalf. Worth trying if the career center is too far or if you're hitting roadblocks with the other methods!
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Giovanni Rossi
•That's a great tip! I had no idea assemblyperson offices could help with state agency issues like this. Do you just call their main office number and explain what you need? I'm dealing with a similar situation right now where I need documentation from another state agency and this could be really helpful.
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