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Mikayla Brown

Why do I owe so much in taxes despite increasing withholdings? Help needed asap!

So last year my husband and I got hit with a $2,250 tax bill, which wasn't fun. We adjusted our W-4s to withhold more from our paychecks, thinking we'd be okay this year. Well, surprise! We now owe $5,400!!! My husband is seriously stressed out. Here's a breakdown of our situation: Me: $126,000 in wages, $134,000 in Medicare wages/tips Husband: $88,000 in wages (same for Medicare wages/tips) Federal tax withheld (me): $14,600 Federal tax withheld (husband): $9,800 Social Security withheld (me): $8,300 Social Security withheld (husband): $5,500 Medicare withheld (me): $1,950 Medicare withheld (husband): $1,280 Group term life insurance (me): $160 Group term life insurance (husband): $60 403b contributions (me): $8,000 Husband's retirement: $5,700 in Roth 403b Employer health coverage (me): $9,500 Employer health coverage (husband): $10,800 My husband also has: - Interest income: $7 - Dividend income: $2,500 - Capital losses: -$1,600 We own our home but our itemized deductions only came to about $20K so we took the standard deduction. Total tax: $29,900 Income tax withheld: $24,500 Amount we owe: $5,400 Does anything look strange here? Would filing separately help? I'm wondering if my husband's Roth 403b might be taxed at a lower rate if he files individually? I'm trying to get us an appointment with a CPA this week. If that doesn't work out, I'm thinking we should pay what we owe and file an extension to figure this out. We're expecting our first child in a few months and I'm really stressed about this tax situation. We have savings to cover it, but I'd love to find ways to reduce what we owe. I'm worried we just didn't withhold enough last year. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Sean Matthews

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This doesn't look unusual at all - just a classic case of underwithholding. Your combined income puts you in a pretty high tax bracket, and the withholding tables don't always account for dual-income households correctly. The issue is that each of your employers calculates withholding as if that job is your only income. So your withholding is being calculated at a lower marginal rate than what applies to your combined income. This is a common problem for two-income households with similar earnings. For the immediate issue, paying and filing an extension is smart, but remember the extension only gives you more time to file - not more time to pay. The payment is still due by the filing deadline to avoid penalties. For the long term, you'll need to significantly increase your withholding. You can use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator online to get a more accurate picture. With a baby on the way, you'll have an additional dependent which will help a bit, but you'll likely need to withhold an additional fixed amount from each paycheck to cover the shortfall. Filing separately almost never benefits married couples - especially with the income disparity between you two. The Roth 403b isn't affected by filing status - those contributions are already taxed at your current rates.

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Ali Anderson

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I've heard about this "marriage penalty" thing - is that what's happening here? Also, with a baby coming, aren't there tax credits we could get? How much would having a dependent actually help with our tax situation?

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Sean Matthews

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The "marriage penalty" is less severe under current tax law, but dual-income couples can still face underwithholding issues. What's happening is that each employer withholds as if that's your only income, not accounting for your combined household income pushing you into higher brackets. With a new baby, you'll qualify for the Child Tax Credit which is currently $2,000 per child, and potentially for the Child and Dependent Care Credit if you'll be paying for childcare. These will definitely help, but won't completely offset your underwithholding issue. Having a dependent might reduce your tax liability by around $2,000-3,000 depending on your exact situation, but you'll still need to adjust your W-4s.

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Zadie Patel

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Does this actually work with Roth accounts too? My wife and I both have Roth 401ks and I'm wondering if this tool can factor that in. Also, does it help with estimating how much the child tax credit will reduce what we owe?

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Zadie Patel

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Just wanted to update about my experience with taxr.ai that was mentioned above. I checked it out after posting here and wow - it was eye-opening! The tool showed us that even with our W-4 adjustments last year, we were still severely underwithholding because we both selected "Married Filing Jointly" on our W-4s without accounting for dual incomes. The simulator showed exactly how much extra to withhold per paycheck ($275 for me, $180 for my wife) to break even next year. It also projected how the child tax credit will affect our taxes once our baby arrives - looks like we'll get about $2,000 reduction in tax liability. The most helpful part was seeing how our current withholding would play out through the rest of the year. Without changes, we would have owed even more next year! Now we've updated our W-4s with our payroll departments and can stop worrying about another tax surprise.

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Emma Morales

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Lucas Parker

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Emma Morales

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Lucas Parker

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Donna Cline

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A while back I was in a similar spot with me and my wife both making decent money but always owing taxes. We sat down with a tax planner who suggested we max out our traditional 401k contributions instead of Roth. At your income level, the tax deduction from traditional contributions could significantly reduce your tax bill. Since you're already doing a Roth 403b, you might want to consider switching some or all of those contributions to traditional pre-tax instead. For example, if your husband switched his $5,700 Roth contribution to traditional, that would reduce your taxable income by $5,700, potentially saving you $1,300+ in taxes depending on your marginal rate. Also look into an HSA if you have a high-deductible health plan. It's triple tax advantaged and can reduce your current tax bill.

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Mikayla Brown

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We hadn't considered switching from Roth to traditional for his contributions. That's actually a really good point about the immediate tax savings. Do you think the long-term benefit of Roth (tax-free growth) outweighs the current tax deduction we'd get from traditional? I'm torn because I know Roth is often recommended, but our current tax situation is stressing me out.

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Donna Cline

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Whether Roth or traditional is better really depends on your current tax bracket versus what you expect in retirement. At your income level (around $214k combined), you're likely in the 24% or 32% federal bracket. If you expect to be in a lower bracket in retirement, traditional contributions make more mathematical sense now. Many financial advisors recommend a mix of both for tax diversity in retirement. You could consider having one spouse do traditional and one do Roth, or splitting contributions. Given your current tax stress, moving at least some money to traditional contributions would give you immediate relief. You can always adjust your strategy in future years as your income and tax situation changes.

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Just my two cents - the W-4 calculator on the IRS website is total garbage for two-income households!!! I tried using it twice and still ended up owing. What finally worked for me was putting "married but withhold at higher single rate" on both our W-4s AND adding additional withholding. Basically the IRS assumes your household has just one income when you select "married" which is so outdated. U might also wanna check if either of ur employers has a tax benefit program. My company offers free tax planning sessions with a CPA twice a year and it helped us a ton with this exact problem.

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The "married but withhold at higher single rate" option doesn't exist on the new W-4 forms anymore. They redesigned them in 2020. Now you have to check a box in Step 2 for "multiple jobs" or do more complicated calculations. The new forms are even more confusing imo.

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