How can I reduce my 2023 tax bill before year-end? Late 401k strategies?
I'm getting nervous about our 2023 taxes. My husband and I normally end up owing around $1,200 each filing season, but I just did a preliminary run-through on TurboTax with our latest pay stubs (plus estimates for our final two paychecks) and it's showing we'll owe around $7,000!! I'm honestly freaking out a bit. We earned approximately $25k more this year compared to last, but looking at our withholdings, our employers only took out about $1,300 extra in taxes. We've both had "0" allowances checked on our W-4s forever, so I don't understand why we're suddenly getting hammered. One thing that might be related - I switched about half of my traditional 401k contributions to Roth 401k mid-year. I understand this increases our taxable income, but shouldn't our tax withholdings have automatically increased too? We're looking for any possible ways to reduce our tax bill before Dec 31st. We've already maxed out our HSA for the year, and we make too much for deductible IRA contributions to help us. Any suggestions for last-minute tax moves would be hugely appreciated!
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Naila Gordon
Your Roth 401k switch is definitely part of what's happening here. When you convert from traditional to Roth 401k contributions, your employer doesn't automatically adjust your withholding to account for the increased taxable income. The W-4 "0" allowances doesn't help with this specific situation. Here are some year-end tax moves to consider: - Look into tax-loss harvesting if you have any investments that are down - Make charitable donations before December 31st - Prepay January mortgage payment in December to get extra interest deduction - Defer any year-end bonuses to January if possible - Check if you can make additional traditional 401k contributions to lower taxable income - See if you qualify for any business deductions if either of you have side income The Roth conversion isn't necessarily bad long-term (tax-free growth!), but it's causing short-term pain. If reducing this year's tax bill is the priority, you might consider switching back to traditional 401k contributions for these last paychecks to lower your taxable income a bit.
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Cynthia Love
•Do you know if it's too late to contribute more to a traditional 401k for 2023? I'm in a similar situation and wondering if I could make a lump sum contribution from savings to lower my tax bill? Also wouldn't switching back to traditional for just 2 paychecks be kinda minimal impact?
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Naila Gordon
•You can make 401k contributions only through payroll deductions up until December 31st for 2023 tax purposes. So you can't make a lump sum contribution from savings directly, but you could increase your contribution percentage dramatically for your final paychecks (even up to 100% of your remaining paychecks if your plan allows it). You're right that switching back to traditional for just two paychecks might have minimal impact, but it depends on your income level. If you have high salaries, directing 100% of your final paychecks to traditional 401k could potentially save you a few hundred in taxes. Every bit helps when facing a large tax bill.
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Darren Brooks
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Rosie Harper
•How accurate was their analysis? I've tried other tax calculators that were way off and ended up owing even more than predicted. Also, does it connect to payroll systems or do you have to manually enter everything?
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Elliott luviBorBatman
•I'm skeptical of these online tax services. How is this different from just using TurboTax or HR Block's tax calculator? Seems like they're just telling you what you could figure out yourself with a little research.
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Darren Brooks
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Elliott luviBorBatman
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Demi Hall
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Kara Yoshida
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Philip Cowan
Have you checked if you qualify for the retirement savings contribution credit? If your income is below certain thresholds and you contributed to retirement accounts, you might get a tax credit on top of the deduction. I used it last year and it knocked $1k off my tax bill!
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Ben Cooper
•Thanks for the suggestion! Unfortunately, our AGI is too high for the retirement savings contribution credit. We're just over the phase-out threshold of $73,000 for married filing jointly. I did double-check this when trying to find ways to reduce our tax bill.
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Caesar Grant
I had almost IDENTICAL situation last yr!! Our HHI went up by like 30k but our withholdings only went up like 2k. Called our HR dept and apparantly the witholding tables changed a few years ago and they dont automatically adjust when ur income increases. We had to manually update our w4s to withhold extra each check. For this year tho its probably too late to fix withholding. Try bunching charitable donations if u can. We donated a bunch of household stuff to Goodwill and got receipts. Also check if ur state has tax deductible 529 contributions!
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Lena Schultz
•The W-4 changes back in 2020 really messed a lot of people up. The old allowances system was more intuitive for most folks. Now with the new forms you really have to be proactive or you get surprised at tax time.
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