Why are we owing so much in taxes after increasing our withholdings? (Married filing jointly)
My husband and I are completely lost about our tax situation. Last year we owed $1,350, so we both adjusted our W-4 forms to withhold more taxes. But somehow this year we owe $5,500!!! My husband is trying to keep me calm but I'm freaking out about it. Here's our basic income breakdown: For me: - Wages: $75,350 - Medicare wages/tips: $75,350 - Federal tax withheld: $8,250 - SS tax withheld: $4,670 - Medicare tax withheld: $1,090 - Group term life insurance: $65 - Roth 401K contributions: $5,600 - Employer health coverage: $8,890 For my husband: - Wages: $130,450 - Medicare wages/tips: $138,200 - Federal tax withheld: $15,300 - SS tax withheld: $8,560 - Medicare tax withheld: $2,000 - Group term life insurance: $160 - 401K contributions: $7,750 - Employer health coverage: $9,940 I also have: - Interest income: $7 - Dividend income: $2,560 - Capital losses: -$1,680 We have a house but I calculated our itemized deductions would only come to about $21K, so we went with the standard deduction. Total tax: $30,800 Income tax withheld: $25,300 Amount we owe: $5,500 Does this seem right? Should we consider filing separately? I think my Roth 401K might get taxed in a lower bracket if I file on my own. We're trying to find a CPA who can see us in the next week. If that doesn't work, we're thinking of paying what we owe and filing an extension to figure this out. To make matters worse, we're expecting our first baby next month, and I'm really stressed about this unexpected tax bill. We have savings to cover it, but I'm hoping there's a way to reduce what we owe. I'm worried we just didn't withhold enough last year. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
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Grace Patel
The problem isn't with your tax return - it's with your withholding. Your household income of about $205,800 puts you firmly in the 22% federal tax bracket, and getting close to the 24% bracket which starts at $215,950 for married filing jointly in 2023. When you both made W-4 changes last year, you might not have withheld enough to cover your tax liability. The W-4 form changed significantly a few years ago, and many people don't complete it correctly. For your income level, you'd need about $30,800 in total federal withholding to break even. Filing separately almost certainly won't help your situation - married filing separately rarely benefits couples unless one spouse has unusual deductions or income-based student loan payments. Your Roth 401k contributions are already taxed at your marginal rate regardless of filing status. Here's what I suggest: 1. Pay your current tax bill to avoid penalties 2. Adjust your W-4 forms immediately using the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator 3. Each of you should have an additional amount withheld each paycheck (Line 4c of W-4) Congratulations on your baby! You'll get tax benefits next year with the child tax credit and potentially the child care credit if you use daycare services.
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ApolloJackson
•Does the W-4 calculator take into account that they'll have a baby this year? How much will the child tax credit reduce their tax bill next year?
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Grace Patel
•The IRS Tax Withholding Estimator allows you to input anticipated life changes like having a child. When using it, you can indicate the number of children you'll have as dependents this year. The Child Tax Credit is currently $2,000 per qualifying child under 17, and it's directly subtracted from your tax liability. Up to $1,500 of this is refundable as the Additional Child Tax Credit. With your income level, you'd qualify for the full credit, which should significantly help your tax situation next year. If you use childcare when returning to work, you might also qualify for the Child and Dependent Care Credit, which can be worth up to $1,200 for one child depending on your expenses and income.
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Isabella Russo
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Ava Harris
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Ava Harris
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Jacob Lee
Congrats on the baby! That'll help reduce your tax bill next year! For right now, I think you're probably stuck with paying the amount due - there's nothing obviously wrong with your tax situation based on what you've shared. I had a similar issue when my wife and I were both working. Our solution was to both check the "Married but withhold at higher single rate" box on our W-4s AND add additional withholding. For your income levels, I'd recommend: - You: Add $150 additional withholding per paycheck - Husband: Add $250 additional withholding per paycheck That should prevent this from happening again. The standard deduction for 2023 for MFJ is $27,700, so you're right to take that instead of itemizing.
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Charlie Yang
•Thank you for the specific numbers! Do we both need to check the "Married but withhold at higher single rate" box, or just one of us? And how did you calculate those additional withholding amounts?
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Jacob Lee
•You both should check that box. The problem is that when two spouses both select "Married" on their W-4s, the withholding system assumes each job is the only income in the household, essentially giving you both the full benefit of the lower tax brackets twice. I calculated those additional withholding amounts based on your total household income of about $205,800, which puts part of your income into the 22% bracket, with some approaching the 24% bracket. The withholding tables typically undershoot by about 5-6% for dual-income households at your income level. If you're paid biweekly (26 paychecks/year), that means you need approximately $5,500 additional withholding annually, or about $211 per paycheck between both of you. I suggested a bit more ($400 total) to build in a safety margin and hopefully get a small refund instead of owing next year.
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Emily Thompson
Check your 2023 tax bracket. For married filing jointly: 10% - $0 to $22,000 12% - $22,001 to $89,450 22% - $89,451 to $190,750 24% - $190,751 to $364,200 Your combined income puts you partly in the 22% bracket and partly in the 24% bracket. The witholding tables don't handle two high incomes well. Try this: Multiply what you currently owe ($5,500) by 1.3 (to give a cushion), which is $7,150. Divide by the number of pay periods remaining in the year between both of you. Add that as "additional withholding" on line 4(c) of both your W-4 forms.
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Sophie Hernandez
•That's a terrible approach! They'd be drastically overwithholding. They need a proper W-4 calculation, not a random multiplier.
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