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What would be the best tax system for simplifying complex taxation and addressing income inequality?

I've been thinking a lot about how much better society would function if we simplified our complex tax systems down to primarily income-based taxation. My country's current system (like many others) seems needlessly complicated and often unfair. What advantages might we see with a simplified income-only tax system? First, it would be much easier for legislators to regulate. Politicians could focus on adjusting a single tax rate rather than juggling dozens of different taxes, making it harder to inadvertently damage the economy or government revenue. Second, it would create more equality. One common complaint is how wealthy individuals can navigate complex tax systems to minimize their burden. A single, straightforward income tax would be harder to avoid unless you abandoned the country entirely. Third, it would be more fair across income levels. Currently, consumption taxes on necessities like food affect everyone equally regardless of income. Since income tax is percentage-based, those earning less would pay less, creating true progressivity. Fourth, it might reduce illegal market activity. Without heavy product taxes, legal businesses could potentially compete with criminal enterprises on price. Fifth, transparency would improve dramatically. Most citizens have no idea what percentage of their money goes to taxes overall. A single tax would make this immediately clear and easier to compare internationally. Sixth, it could reduce business bankruptcies. Companies that aren't profitable wouldn't pay taxes, allowing more businesses to survive economic downturns. However, there would definitely be challenges: - Enforcement would be difficult for non-traditional workers - Verifying true income for entrepreneurs and business owners - Wealthy people might relocate to lower-tax countries - "Digital nomads" could potentially avoid taxes altogether How might we address these issues? - Redirect tax enforcement resources from other taxes to focus on income verification - Require tax withholding on all official contracts - Implement stronger penalties for illegal tax avoidance What are your thoughts on simplifying to an income-only tax system? What problems do you see, or how could this idea be improved?

While I understand the appeal of simplifying taxes down to just income tax, there are several practical issues that would make this challenging to implement effectively. First, consumption taxes (like sales tax or VAT) serve an important purpose in capturing revenue from transactions that might otherwise escape income taxation. For example, tourists and visitors contribute through consumption taxes but wouldn't pay income tax. Similarly, those with unreported income at least contribute when spending money. Second, behavior-based taxes serve distinct policy goals beyond just revenue generation. Taxes on cigarettes, alcohol, carbon emissions, etc. are designed to discourage certain activities and account for externalities. Income tax can't accomplish this targeted approach. Third, the tax burden would shift dramatically. Currently, corporate taxes, property taxes, and consumption taxes spread the burden across different entities and behaviors. Shifting everything to income would place enormous pressure on wage earners while potentially allowing other sources of wealth to escape taxation. A more practical approach might be to simplify the existing systems rather than moving to income-only taxation. Reducing exemptions, standardizing definitions, and improving technological integration between tax systems would provide many of the transparency and efficiency benefits without the dramatic downsides.

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But how would you address the inequality issue? Rich people have accountants who find all kinds of loopholes in complex tax systems. Wouldn't a simple system with very few exceptions be harder to game? Also, what about the regressive nature of sales taxes that hit poor families harder as a percentage of their income?

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The inequality issue can be addressed through targeted reforms rather than complete system replacement. Closing specific loopholes, implementing effective minimum tax rates for high earners, and better enforcement would address the wealthy's ability to minimize taxes. Sales taxes can be made less regressive by exempting essential items like groceries and medicine, while maintaining or increasing rates on luxury goods. Many jurisdictions already do this successfully. Additionally, refundable tax credits can offset consumption tax burdens for lower-income households while maintaining the broader benefits of a diverse tax base.

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Does it work for international tax systems too? Like if I wanted to compare how my country taxes people versus how the US or European countries do it? I'm from Brazil too (like OP) and always been confused about how our system compares to others.

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I'm skeptical tbh. How exactly does it analyze the docs? Does it just give generic summaries or does it actually explain the nuance? Tax systems are incredibly complex and most AI tools I've tried just spit out very basic info you could find on Wikipedia.

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Adding to the discussion on income-only taxation - one major issue not considered is wealth inequality. Income tax only targets active earnings, but much of the wealth held by the ultra-rich isn't in regular income but in appreciating assets like stocks, real estate, etc. This is why many economists argue for some form of wealth taxation alongside income taxes. If we eliminated property taxes, capital gains taxes, etc., we'd basically be giving a permanent tax holiday to those who live primarily off assets rather than wages. Also, consumption taxes can actually be beneficial for economic stability because they provide a more consistent revenue stream during recessions when incomes might fall dramatically. No perfect system exists, but a balanced approach with simplified versions of different tax types probably makes more sense than going all-in on just income taxation.

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Great point about wealth vs income! I never thought about how rich people often have low "income" on paper while their net worth grows by millions. How would you design a wealth tax that's actually effective without hurting regular people who might have a valuable house but not much cash?

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Designing an effective wealth tax requires careful thresholds to target only significant wealth. For example, setting the threshold at $10 million in net assets would exempt most homeowners completely. You can also create progressive rates that increase with wealth levels and offer deferred payment options for asset-rich but cash-poor situations. The key is exempting primary residences up to a reasonable value, retirement accounts up to certain limits, and small business assets under a threshold. This protects regular people while still addressing the enormous untaxed wealth accumulation at the very top. Annual reporting requirements and strong valuation methods would be essential to prevent avoidance strategies.

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Having lived in 6 different countries, I've experienced many tax systems firsthand. The simplest wasn't necessarily the best. In Singapore, they have very straightforward taxes, but it created other societal issues. In the Nordic countries, taxes are high but extremely transparent in how they're calculated and spent. The problem with income-only taxation is it misses huge parts of economic activity. For example, tourism: visitors consume resources but would pay zero under income-only systems. One approach I liked was in New Zealand, where they have a fairly simple GST (goods and services tax) applied broadly with very few exemptions, combined with a progressive income tax. The simplicity wasn't from having just one tax, but from having few exemptions and very clear rules.

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That's really interesting! Can you explain more about how New Zealand's system works? I'm really curious about what makes it clearer than other systems. Also, what did you see in Singapore that created societal issues?

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