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James Maki

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I'm a financial planner (not an accountant) and I generally suggest clients consider an accountant when ANY of these are true: - Self-employment income - Rental properties - Income over $400k (potential for more complex tax strategies) - Multiple state returns - Stock options or RSUs - Recent major life changes (marriage, divorce, child, home purchase) From what you've described, you're borderline - the upcoming marriage to another high earner might make it worth at least a consultation. Sometimes a good accountant pays for themselves in tax savings!

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Adrian Connor

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Thank you for this breakdown! Would you recommend getting a consultation just for the first year of marriage to understand any new strategies, or is this something we should plan to do annually going forward?

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James Maki

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I'd recommend a consultation for the first year of marriage to understand the new strategies and options available to you as a married couple. After that initial consultation, you can assess whether the accountant provided enough value to continue annually. Many clients find that an every-other-year check-in with an accountant is a good compromise - they get periodic professional review while handling the more straightforward years themselves. Given both your high incomes, there may be ongoing tax planning opportunities that make annual meetings worthwhile, but this is something you can determine after that first consultation.

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Everyone is talking about income thresholds but nobody's mentioning TIME VALUE! I make $180k and use an accountant simply because my time is worth more than the $350 I pay him. Could I do it myself? Sure. Do I want to spend 5-6 hours researching tax law and entering data? Hell no. Consider what your hourly rate is at work and how many hours you'll spend on taxes. If an accountant costs less than (your hourly rate Ɨ hours spent), it's worth it regardless of income level or complexity.

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Cole Roush

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This is such an underrated comment. I spent 8 hours doing my taxes last year with similar income to OP, and all to save maybe $400 on an accountant? That's a terrible hourly rate for my weekend time!

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Understanding Roth 401k 1099-R Distribution Codes 8B and BP - Do I need to amend my return?

I received a distribution from my Roth 401k in November 2021 that was labeled as an "excess deferral correction" for 2020. What's confusing me is that I didn't exceed the published contribution limits for 2020 (I'm not even close to maxing out), but apparently their plan audit determined I went over some limit I wasn't aware of. I'm in my 40s and definitely not a highly compensated employee. Now I have two different 1099-R forms for 2021 with different distribution codes: First form has distribution code BP: - About $520 gross distribution (Box 1) - $0 taxable amount (Box 2a) - Box 5 (employee contributions) shows same amount as Box 1 - $0 for state distribution (Box 16) - $0 for local distribution (Box 19) Second form has distribution code 8B: - About $630 gross distribution (Box 1) - Taxable amount equals gross distribution (Box 2a) - Box 5 shows $0 - State distribution matches gross amount - $0 for local distribution The paperwork that came with the check mentioned that for Roth deferrals, the corrective distributions and allocable income are only taxable in the distribution year. From everything I've read online, I believe I don't need to amend my 2020 return since this was Roth 401k money, and I already paid tax on the BP-coded amount in 2020. But now TurboTax is ignoring the "$0 taxable amount" on the BP-coded 1099-R and adding it to my taxable income for 2021. It's also suggesting I might need to amend my 2020 return. Am I right that my 2020 tax return doesn't need amending? And can I somehow exclude the BP-coded 1099-R from my 2021 filing since the taxable amount is clearly marked as $0?

Oliver Becker

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I had a similar situation with my husband's 401k last year. For the BP code, I needed to manually tell TurboTax that the taxable amount was $0. Here's what I did: In TurboTax, after entering the 1099-R information, there should be an option to "Review" the entry. Within that review screen, there's a way to override the taxable amount. I had to dig around a bit, but it was something like "Edit" or "Override" next to the taxable amount field. For your second 1099-R with the 8B code, the earnings should indeed be taxable in 2021, so TurboTax is handling that correctly at least.

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Thank you for the specific TurboTax guidance! I found the override option exactly where you described. After adjusting it, my tax calculation looks much more reasonable now. One more question - did you have to file any additional forms to explain the override, or did TurboTax handle that automatically?

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Oliver Becker

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TurboTax handled the override automatically without requiring additional forms. The software does add a note to your return that explains the override, which is actually helpful in case of an audit. Just make sure to keep copies of both 1099-Rs and any documentation that came with the distribution explaining the excess contribution correction. That paperwork is your proof if the IRS ever questions the override.

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CosmicCowboy

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The people saying you don't need to amend your 2020 return are correct. For Roth 401k excess contributions, the correction is handled in the distribution year (2021). For anyone else dealing with this: distribution codes are crucial for understanding tax treatment: - BP = Roth contribution being returned (not taxable) - 8B = Earnings on those excess contributions (taxable) If your tax software doesn't handle this correctly, switch software! I've found FreeTaxUSA handles these retirement distribution codes much better than TurboTax for complex situations.

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Does FreeTaxUSA handle state returns well too? I've been considering switching from TurboTax due to their constant price increases.

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CosmicCowboy

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Yes, FreeTaxUSA handles state returns quite well! They charge a small fee for state filing (much less than TurboTax), but federal filing is completely free regardless of complexity. I switched three years ago and haven't looked back. For retirement distribution issues like this, their interface explicitly asks about each distribution code and automatically applies the correct tax treatment. For something like a BP code, it immediately marks it as non-taxable without requiring manual overrides.

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Yuki Sato

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Contact your payroll department immediately! This happened to me in 2023, and it was because my company's payroll system had a glitch that caused duplicate reporting for about 50 employees. If multiple people at your company are affected, the IRS might already be aware of a systematic error. My company had to issue corrected W-2c forms to everyone affected and file corrections with the IRS. Keep records of EVERYTHING - emails with payroll, copies of your original W-2, pay stubs, etc. The more documentation you have showing the correct amounts, the easier this will be to resolve.

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Thanks for this advice. I reached out to our payroll department yesterday and they're "looking into it." Did your company initially deny there was an issue? I'm getting some resistance from our HR coordinator who keeps insisting their reporting was correct.

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Yuki Sato

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Yes, at first they denied anything was wrong! It took about two weeks of me and other affected coworkers persistently following up before they finally investigated properly. Their initial response was "our system doesn't make mistakes" but clearly it did. Ask if anyone else in the company received similar notices - that was what finally got them to take it seriously when they realized multiple people were affected. If possible, get a copy of your "Last Pay Statement" for the tax year in question - this should show your year-to-date earnings and withholdings that should match your W-2.

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Carmen Flores

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Don't let this slide or procrastinate on it! My brother ignored a CP2501 thinking it was just a minor discrepancy, and it escalated to a CP3219A notice of deficiency. Once that happens, your options become much more limited. The IRS gives you 30 days to respond to a CP2501. Make sure you meet that deadline even if you're still gathering information. You can write them explaining you're working with your employer to resolve the reporting error and request additional time.

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Andre Dubois

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What happens if you miss the 30 day deadline? My notice arrived when I was traveling for work and I just opened it yesterday. The response due date is in 5 days!

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KingKongZilla

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I worked at a bank that got acquired (not First Republic but similar situation) and had some stock in my Roth IRA too. One thing nobody's mentioned - can you roll over your Roth IRA to another provider and possibly get some better investment options to help rebuild what you lost? I moved mine to Fidelity and their advisors helped me rebalance with some funds that have performed pretty well since then. Won't fix the tax situation but might help recover some value over time.

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Skylar Neal

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That's actually a really helpful suggestion! I hadn't thought about switching providers, but it makes sense to look for better investment options. Did you have any fees when you moved your Roth IRA to Fidelity? And how long did the whole process take?

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KingKongZilla

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No fees to transfer the Roth IRA to Fidelity - most major brokerages don't charge for incoming transfers. The whole process took about 2 weeks from starting the paperwork to having everything settled in the new account. Fidelity handled most of the transfer work once I filled out their forms. The good part was getting access to their research tools and fund options. I met with one of their advisors (free consultation) who suggested a portfolio mix based on my retirement timeline that's been working well.

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Don't forget that while you can't deduct the ROTH IRA losses, you still have all the contributions you've made available to withdraw at any time without taxes or penalties. That's one of the biggest advantages of a Roth vs traditional IRA. If you really need access to some funds, you can withdraw your contributions (but not earnings) without any tax consequences. Just make sure to check exactly how much you've contributed over the years so you don't accidentally withdraw any earnings.

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Nathan Dell

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This is a really important point! I had a similar situation happen and it's easy to focus on the loss and forget that the money you put in is still accessible if needed.

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NeonNova

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One option nobody's mentioned is free tax filing through the IRS Free File program. If your income is under $73,000, you can use brand-name tax software for free through IRS.gov. Even if you make more than that, you can use Free File Fillable Forms. I've used this for years with investment income (1099s) and it works great. You could file the extension now for free AND possibly do your full return for free when you get back.

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Zara Ahmed

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Really? I thought Free File was only for super simple returns. Can it handle things like stock sales and early retirement distributions? I'm not confident in doing all those calculations myself.

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NeonNova

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Free File through partner companies (like TurboTax, H&R Block, etc.) can absolutely handle stock sales and retirement distributions if you qualify by income. The software is the same as their paid versions, just offered free through the IRS partnership. If you use Free File Fillable Forms (the direct IRS option), it's basically just electronic versions of paper forms with basic calculations. That option requires more tax knowledge since you need to know which forms to fill out, but it's still free and available to everyone regardless of income. For your situation, I'd recommend using one of the Free File partner software options to file your extension now. Then when you return, you can use the same service to complete your full return with all your investment documents. Much better than paying hundreds to a storefront preparer!

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Yuki Tanaka

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I work seasonally on fishing boats in Alaska and deal with this every year. My advice: DEFINITELY file the extension. I made the mistake of not filing once and the failure-to-file penalty was brutal compared to just the failure-to-pay. When you get back from your contract and have cash, call the IRS and set up a payment plan if needed. They're actually pretty reasonable to work with if you're proactive and honest about your situation.

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Carmen Diaz

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I second this. The IRS is much more accommodating than people expect when you're upfront about your situation. I've been on payment plans twice and it was simple to set up. The interest rates are usually better than credit cards too.

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