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Have you considered changing your payroll schedule in December? We had a similar issue and shifted to running mid-December payroll that covered through mid-January. It takes some adjusting for employees at first, but we found that getting those funds out of our account before year-end helped reduce our taxable income significantly. Another approach is to accelerate other expenses into December - prepaying vendors, stocking up on supplies, investing in equipment (Section 179 can be helpful here), or funding retirement plans.
Would changing the payroll schedule that drastically cause problems with our employees? I'm thinking they might not like having their pay periods shifted around, especially around the holidays when cash is tight for many people.
It does require some careful communication with your team. We gave our employees about 3 months notice before implementing the change, and offered short-term advances to anyone who needed help with the transition. Most people adjusted within a month or two. It also doesn't have to be a permanent change - some businesses do a "bonus" mid-December payment that effectively prepays some January work, then return to normal scheduling in January. The key is getting those funds out of your business account before December 31st so they don't contribute to your year-end retained earnings.
Have you looked into converting to C-Corp status? Might solve your immediate problem since C-Corps can retain earnings without triggering personal tax liabilities for the owners. The company would pay corporate tax, but only on profits, not on retained cash being held for known upcoming expenses.
C-Corp has double taxation though. They'd pay corporate taxes and then personal taxes on any dividends. With $9.5m ARR, seems like they'd end up paying more overall unless they plan to reinvest almost everything back into the business.
You're right about the double taxation concern. It works better for businesses planning significant reinvestment rather than regular profit distributions to owners. A possible middle ground might be the "hybrid approach" where they elect S-Corp taxation but establish a reasonable salary structure and timing that helps manage cash flow better throughout the year. They could also look into establishing separate entities for different business functions, though that adds complexity.
Just to add some clarity on the partnership tax structure - partners can take money from the business in two ways: 1. Guaranteed payments - these are like regular payments for services rendered regardless of partnership profits. They're deductible by the partnership but still subject to self-employment tax for the partner receiving them. 2. Distributions - these are distributions of profit and aren't deductible by the partnership. They've already been taxed as income flowing through to your personal return. The confusion often happens because people want to "pay themselves" but don't understand the tax treatment. You can't deduct partner labor as COGS, but you can structure guaranteed payments if you want to create more of a salary-like arrangement.
I'm confused about the guaranteed payments part. If we do guaranteed payments instead of distributions, don't we end up paying MORE in taxes because of the self-employment tax? Or is there some advantage I'm missing?
You're right about potentially paying more in taxes with guaranteed payments due to self-employment tax. However, there are situations where guaranteed payments make sense: When you need consistent income regardless of profitability (similar to a salary), guaranteed payments provide that predictability. They're also useful when partners contribute significantly different levels of work - you can compensate for work through guaranteed payments while maintaining equal ownership through distributions. Some partnerships use a combination approach: modest guaranteed payments for actual work performed, then distributions for the remaining profits. This balances the need for regular income with tax efficiency. The right structure depends on your specific situation, including cash flow needs, relative contributions of partners, and other tax considerations unique to your circumstances.
Heres a simple example that might help make things clearer: Let's say your service LLC makes $200k revenue with $50k in legit business expenses (rent, software, travel, etc). That leaves $150k in profit. That $150k flows through to you and your spouse's personal tax returns based on ownership %. You cant deduct some made-up "value of partner labor" from this. If you want to take $120k out of the business, you just take $120k in distributions. The distributions arent separately taxed bc you already are taxed on the full $150k profit whether you take it out or leave it in the business. Does that help? Your tax software is probably just confusing you because its trying to handle both product and service businesses with the same screens.
Don't forget about state taxes on your capital gains! Everyone always focuses on federal but depending on your state, you might owe state taxes too. I'm in California and was surprised by how much extra I had to pay on my stock sales last year.
Good point - I'm in Minnesota. Does anyone know how MN handles capital gains taxes? Are they taxed differently than regular income at the state level?
Minnesota taxes capital gains as regular income, unlike the federal government which gives preferential rates to long-term gains. So you'll pay your normal Minnesota income tax rate on all your capital gains regardless of how long you held the investments. Minnesota's income tax rates range from 5.35% to 9.85% depending on your income bracket. Given your regular 22% federal bracket, you're probably looking at the middle Minnesota brackets (6.8% or 7.85%). There's no separate capital gains rate structure at the state level.
Some advice: if you know you're going to sell stocks soon, look at your overall tax situation first. I sold some stocks in December thinking I was being smart, but it pushed me into a higher tax bracket and I ended up paying way more than if I'd waited till January.
This is super important! Tax-loss harvesting saved me thousands last year. If you have any investments at a loss, you might want to sell those at the same time to offset some of your gains.
That's a great point about tax-loss harvesting. Just remember the IRS limits capital loss deductions against ordinary income to $3,000 per year. However, you can use capital losses to offset unlimited capital gains. Any unused losses can be carried forward to future tax years.
One thing nobody's mentioned - make sure you're using the CORRECT 2020 tax forms! Don't just download current forms from the IRS website. You need the actual 2020 versions since tax laws change every year. You can find prior year forms here: https://www.irs.gov/forms-instructions (just search for the form number and select 2020 from the dropdown).
Thanks for mentioning this! I almost made that exact mistake. Do you know if tax software like TurboTax or H&R Block still offer access to prepare 2020 returns or am I stuck doing the paper forms at this point?
Most tax software still allows you to prepare 2020 returns, but you'll likely need to purchase their software rather than using their free online versions which typically only support the current tax year plus maybe one year back. TurboTax, H&R Block, and TaxAct all offer desktop or downloadable software for prior years. However, you'll still need to print and mail the return - electronic filing is generally not available for returns from 2020 at this point in 2024.
Don't forget that if you're filing a 2020 return now, any stimulus payments you received for that tax year need to be accounted for correctly on the return! The first two stimulus payments were tied to 2020 taxes (the $1,200 CARES Act payment and the $600 December 2020 payment). If you didn't receive these payments back then, you can claim them as the Recovery Rebate Credit on your 2020 return. But if you did receive them, you need to indicate that so you don't accidentally claim them again.
This is important! I messed this up on my late-filed return and it delayed my processing by months because the IRS had to manually review and adjust it.
Nora Brooks
Former payroll specialist here. One thing to consider is HOW MUCH the difference will be. If the only change is bonus pay being recategorized from tips to regular income, the tax withholding might actually be pretty similar. The main difference would be that Social Security and Medicare taxes might have been under-withheld if they were incorrectly treated as tips (depending on if tip credits were applied). For most employees at a restaurant, this difference might not be huge. Ask your payroll provider to give you an estimate of the difference for a typical employee. If it's minimal (like under $200), filing now and amending later might make sense for folks who need refunds ASAP.
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Eli Wang
ā¢But won't the employees get in trouble if they file with forms they know are wrong? My manager told us we HAD to wait for corrected W-2s.
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Nora Brooks
ā¢No, employees won't get in trouble for filing with incorrect W-2s as long as they file an amendment once they receive the corrected forms. The IRS understands that errors happen with tax documents. Your manager is being overly cautious. While waiting for corrected W-2s is certainly the cleaner approach, the IRS allows taxpayers to file with the information they currently have and then correct it later through the amendment process. Just make sure you keep both the original and corrected W-2s for your records, and file the amendment (Form 1040-X) promptly once you receive the corrected form.
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Cassandra Moon
I've been in restaurant management for 15+ years and dealt with this EXACT situation in 2020. Here's what we learned: For our servers who really needed their refund $$$ fast, we advised them to: 1) File now with incorrect W-2 2) Get their refund 3) File 1040-X amendment after corrected W-2 arrived 4) Either pay back any difference or get additional refund For kitchen staff and managers who could wait, we suggested filing an extension to avoid the amendment hassle. The payroll company should offer to pay for tax amendment services for affected employees! Push them hard on this - it was THEIR error. Our payroll provider ended up giving us H&R Block vouchers for all affected employees to cover amendment costs.
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Zane Hernandez
ā¢Did any of your employees get audited because of this? That's what I'm most worried about.
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