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Understanding Solo 401(k) Deduction Confusion - Where to Report Employee vs Employer Contributions?

Hey tax folks! I'm totally confused about where to report my solo 401(k) contributions on my tax forms. I've read so much conflicting info that my head is spinning. I run a small freelance business (just me, no employees) and set up a solo 401(k) last year. From what I understand, the 2023 limits are $22,500 for the employee part and 25% of adjusted income for the employer portion. Here's where I'm lost - some sources (including IRS Pub 560) say I should put the employee contribution on Schedule C, line 19 and the employer part on Schedule 1, line 16. But other places say BOTH parts go on Schedule 1, line 16. For context, here are my numbers: - Net profit (Schedule C, line 31): $52,000 - Self-employment taxes (Schedule SE): around $7,950 (half being $3,975) - I want to max my employee contribution: $22,500 - Employer contribution calculation: 25% × ($52,000-$3,975) = $12,006 So do I combine these ($22,500 + $12,006 = $34,506) and put the total on Schedule 1, line 16? Or split them between Schedule C and Schedule 1? And am I even calculating the employer portion right? I've searched everywhere and keep finding contradictory advice! Help!

You've got a bit of a common confusion here, but I can help clear this up! The reporting depends on what type of solo 401(k) plan you have. For your solo 401(k), you're correct about the contribution limits, but here's how the reporting works: The employee contribution (the $22,500) is NOT reported on Schedule C. This amount is actually reported as an exclusion from your income on your W-2 if you're incorporated, or it simply isn't included in your taxable income if you're a sole proprietor. It doesn't get deducted anywhere on Schedule C. The employer contribution (your calculated $12,006) is reported as a business expense on Schedule C, line 19 if you're a sole proprietor, which reduces your business income. You'd then report any traditional contributions that weren't already excluded from your income on Schedule 1, line 16. In your case as a sole proprietor, this would typically just be the employer portion. Your calculation for the employer portion looks correct - it's 25% of your net earnings from self-employment after deducting one-half of self-employment tax. Hope this helps clear things up!

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Wait, this doesn't sound right to me. I'm also self-employed with a solo 401k, and my accountant has me report BOTH contributions on Schedule 1, Line 16. She said nothing goes on Schedule C for retirement plans if you're a sole prop with no employees. Are there different ways to do this that are all correct? Or is one of us doing it wrong?

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You're raising a good point, and it shows why this topic is confusing for many people. The reporting can actually vary based on the specific plan documentation and how your plan is set up. What your accountant is doing is also a common and accepted practice. For many solo 401(k) plans, especially those designed with simplicity in mind, both the employee and employer contributions can be reported together on Schedule 1, Line 16. This approach is particularly common when the solo business owner is operating as a sole proprietor and is both the employee and employer. The key is consistency and following your specific plan documentation. Neither approach is "wrong" if it aligns with your plan's specific structure and documentation. If your accountant has been handling it this way and it has worked without issues from the IRS, there's likely no problem with continuing that approach.

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That sounds interesting - does it work with other retirement accounts too? I have a SEP IRA and I'm never sure if I'm doing it right.

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Here's my understanding after dealing with solo 401ks for 6 years: If you're a sole proprietor (Schedule C filer), both employee and employer contributions go on Schedule 1, Line 16. Nothing goes on Schedule C. If you're an S-Corp, employee deferrals are excluded from your W-2 wages, and employer contributions are deducted on the S-Corp return. The confusion comes from the way IRS publication 560 is written - it's not clear about Schedule C businesses vs. other entity types.

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Thanks so much for this! That's exactly what I was thinking but all the conflicting info was making me doubt myself. Just to double check - for my situation (Schedule C sole prop), I'd put the entire $34,506 on Schedule 1, Line 16 and nothing on Schedule C?

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Yes, that's correct. As a Schedule C sole proprietor, you would put your entire contribution of $34,506 on Schedule 1, Line 16. Nothing would go on Schedule C. This is because as a sole proprietor, you're technically both the employee and employer, and the IRS treats both contribution types as adjustments to income rather than business expenses. This is different from how it works with entities like S-Corps or if you had actual employees.

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Quick question - does anyone know if TurboTax handles solo 401k contributions correctly? I'm in the same boat and worried it's putting things on the wrong lines.

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TurboTax gets this right in my experience, but you need to make sure you select "self-employed 401k" specifically when it asks about retirement plans. If you just select "401k" it might handle it differently. I double checked the actual forms after filing last year and it correctly put everything on Schedule 1, Line 16.

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Thanks everyone for the detailed responses! This has been incredibly helpful. I was definitely overthinking this and getting confused by all the different sources online. Just to confirm my understanding based on what everyone's shared - as a Schedule C sole proprietor, I should: 1. Put the entire $34,506 ($22,500 employee + $12,006 employer) on Schedule 1, Line 16 2. NOT put anything on Schedule C, Line 19 3. My employer contribution calculation of 25% × ($52,000 - $3,975) = $12,006 looks correct I really appreciate how this community breaks down complex tax issues. The conflicting information out there is maddening, but having real people share their experiences and knowledge makes all the difference. One more quick question - do I need to file Form 5500 for my solo 401k, or is that only required if I have employees or the account balance exceeds a certain threshold?

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