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Nora Brooks

Solo 401k after-tax voluntary Roth contribution question - maximizing retirement savings

Hey tax peeps, I just wrapped up my 2024 taxes and could use a quick sanity check on my Solo 401k contributions. My plan allows for after-tax voluntary Roth contributions, and I want to make sure I'm doing this right. So here's where I stand: - Already making the max regular 401k contribution (salary deferral + profit sharing) = $38,900 - My compensation (Net Profit from Schedule C - 1/2 Self Employment tax) = $49,520 - Already made a spousal Roth IRA Contribution = $7,850 If I understand correctly, it seems I still have $2,770 remaining of my compensation that could be used. Can I deposit that amount into the Solo 401k as a voluntary after-tax Roth contribution? Or am I missing something? Thanks in advance - this self-employment retirement planning is a whole new world for me!

You're on the right track with your Solo 401k contribution calculations. The key is understanding the different contribution limits at play. For 2025, the total contribution limit to a Solo 401k is $70,500 (or $77,000 if you're 50+). This includes your employee deferral ($23,000), employer contribution (up to 25% of compensation), and after-tax contributions. Based on your numbers, you've used $38,900 for the standard contributions, leaving room under the total contribution limit. The remaining $2,770 of your compensation can indeed be contributed as an after-tax voluntary Roth contribution to your Solo 401k. Just make sure your plan documents explicitly allow for after-tax Roth contributions, as not all Solo 401k plans offer this feature. Also, keep documentation showing how you calculated these amounts for your records.

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Thanks for the explanation! I have a similar situation but I'm confused about something - does the after-tax contribution count toward the $23,000 employee deferral limit or is it separate? Also, when making these contributions through my provider's website, is there a specific designation I need to select?

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The after-tax contribution does not count toward the $23,000 employee deferral limit - it's completely separate. The employee deferral limit applies only to traditional pre-tax and designated Roth contributions. After-tax contributions fall under the overall plan limit ($70,500 for 2025). When making contributions through your provider's website, there should be a specific designation for "after-tax" or "voluntary after-tax" contributions. It's different from regular Roth contributions. If you don't see this option, contact your plan provider as not all plans support this feature.

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One thing to watch out for with Solo 401k after-tax contributions that nobody mentioned yet - make sure you're calculating your compensation correctly. Net profit minus half of self-employment tax is the right formula, but don't forget that if you take the QBI deduction, that does NOT reduce your retirement plan compensation basis. I messed this up last year and undercontributed by about $4k because I thought my QBI deduction lowered my available compensation for 401k purposes. My tax guy corrected me this year.

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Wait really? I've been reducing my compensation base by the QBI deduction amount! So if my Schedule C shows $100k profit, and I have $15k SE tax and $20k QBI deduction, my compensation base for retirement contributions would be $100k - $7.5k = $92.5k, NOT $72.5k?

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Exactly! The QBI deduction doesn't reduce your compensation base for retirement contribution calculations. Using your example, your compensation base would indeed be $92.5k (the $100k profit minus half the SE tax of $7.5k). The QBI deduction reduces your taxable income but doesn't affect the calculation for retirement contribution purposes. This is a common misconception that causes many self-employed people to undercontribute. I learned this the hard way after missing out on several thousand dollars of potential contributions.

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Just wanted to add that I was in this exact situation and called Vanguard (my solo 401k provider) and they told me their plan DOESN'T allow for after-tax contributions. Apparently not all solo 401k plans offer this feature, so definitely check with your provider before trying to contribute!

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Fidelity's solo 401k does allow it! I switched from Vanguard last year specifically for this reason. The after-tax contribution feature plus the ability to do in-plan Roth conversions makes it a no-brainer if you're trying to maximize retirement savings.

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm in a similar boat with my Solo 401k and had no idea about the after-tax contribution option. Quick question for everyone - when you make these after-tax contributions, do they get invested the same way as your regular 401k contributions, or do you have to select separate investment options? Also, @Santiago Diaz thanks for the QBI clarification - I've definitely been calculating my compensation base wrong and probably left money on the table last year. Going to double-check my 2024 contributions now! One more thing - for those who've done the mega backdoor Roth conversion that @Riya mentioned, how complicated is that process? Is it something I can handle myself or do I need professional help?

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Great questions! For the investment options, after-tax contributions typically go into the same investment menu as your regular 401k contributions - you don't need separate allocations. You can usually set up automatic investing just like with pre-tax contributions. Regarding the mega backdoor Roth conversion, it's actually pretty straightforward if your plan allows in-service distributions. Most providers have an online form where you request to convert your after-tax balance to Roth. The key is doing it frequently (quarterly or even monthly) so you don't have much growth in the after-tax bucket that would be taxable upon conversion. I handle mine myself through Fidelity's website - takes about 5 minutes each time. Just make sure to keep good records for tax reporting purposes!

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This is exactly the kind of detailed discussion I needed! As someone just starting with Solo 401k planning, I'm amazed at how many nuances there are beyond the basic contribution limits. @Nora Brooks - your original calculation looks spot on based on what everyone's confirmed. The $2,770 remaining compensation can definitely go toward after-tax contributions if your plan allows it. One thing I'm curious about that hasn't been fully addressed - when you do make these after-tax contributions, how does the timing work? Can you make them throughout the year like regular contributions, or do they need to be done by specific deadlines? I'm wondering if there's any advantage to front-loading them early in the year vs. spreading them out. Also, for those using services like taxr.ai or connecting with IRS agents through Claimyr, do you typically do this consultation before making contributions, or is it something you can sort out during tax filing season? I'd hate to make contributions and then find out later I calculated something wrong. The QBI deduction clarification from @Santiago was eye-opening - definitely going to review my own calculations now!

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Great questions about timing! For after-tax contributions, you can typically make them throughout the year just like regular 401k contributions - there's no requirement to front-load or wait until year-end. However, I'd recommend checking with your specific plan provider about their procedures. One timing advantage of spreading contributions throughout the year is that it allows for more frequent mega backdoor Roth conversions if your plan supports them. This minimizes any taxable growth on the after-tax balance before conversion. Regarding the consultation timing, I'd definitely recommend getting clarity BEFORE making contributions rather than trying to sort it out during tax season. That way you can maximize your contributions for the current year and avoid any potential over-contribution penalties. Both taxr.ai and the IRS consultation through Claimyr would be most valuable as part of your annual planning process, ideally early in the year. @Santiago's QBI clarification really is a game-changer - so many people miss out on thousands in potential contributions because of that misunderstanding!

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm relatively new to self-employment and had no idea about the after-tax contribution option for Solo 401ks. Quick question about plan providers - for those who switched from providers that don't allow after-tax contributions (like Vanguard) to ones that do (like Fidelity), how complicated was the rollover process? I'm currently with a provider that doesn't offer this feature, but after reading about the potential for mega backdoor Roth conversions, I'm seriously considering making a switch. Also, @Santiago your point about the QBI deduction not reducing compensation for retirement purposes is huge - I've been calculating this wrong and probably missed out on contributions. Is there a good resource or publication that clearly outlines all these nuances for Solo 401k calculations? The IRS publications I've found are pretty dense and sometimes seem contradictory. One more thing - for anyone who's used both the tax analysis tools and direct IRS consultation, which approach gave you more confidence in your contribution strategy? I'm trying to decide if it's worth investing in both or if one approach covers all the bases.

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Welcome to the community! The rollover process between Solo 401k providers is actually pretty straightforward - most of the major providers (Fidelity, Schwab, E*Trade) handle the paperwork for you. It's typically a direct trustee-to-trustee transfer, so no tax implications. The whole process took about 2-3 weeks when I switched from Vanguard to Fidelity last year. For resources on Solo 401k nuances, I'd recommend IRS Publication 560 as the primary source, but you're right that it's dense. The Department of Labor's FAQ on Solo 401ks is more readable. That said, given how many people in this thread have mentioned calculation errors (myself included with the QBI thing), having a professional review or using one of those analysis tools seems worth it. From what I've seen here, the tax analysis tools seem better for comprehensive plan document review and complex calculations, while the IRS consultation is great for getting official confirmation on specific technical questions. If budget allows, using both approaches for your initial setup might give you the most confidence, then just the analysis tool for annual reviews. @Santiago's QBI insight really shows how easy it is to miss these details - definitely worth double-checking your past contributions if you've been making that same mistake!

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This has been such an educational thread! As someone who just started my consulting business last year, I'm realizing I have a lot to learn about Solo 401k optimization. @Nora Brooks - your situation is very similar to mine, and it's reassuring to see the community consensus that your $2,770 calculation for after-tax contributions looks correct. I'm definitely going to check if my provider (currently with Charles Schwab) allows after-tax contributions. The QBI deduction clarification from @Santiago is absolutely crucial - I've been making the same mistake and reducing my compensation base incorrectly. That could easily be costing me thousands in potential contributions each year! One question I haven't seen addressed yet - for those making both regular Solo 401k contributions and after-tax contributions, do you need to track them separately for tax reporting purposes? I'm assuming the after-tax contributions don't reduce your current year taxable income like the regular contributions do, but want to make sure I understand the tax implications correctly. Also really interested in the mega backdoor Roth strategy that several people mentioned. If I'm understanding correctly, you make after-tax contributions and then immediately convert them to Roth to avoid taxation on any growth? That seems like an incredible way to get more money into Roth accounts beyond the normal IRA limits. Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences - this is exactly the kind of real-world insight that's hard to find elsewhere!

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