Can I skip claiming Schedule C expenses to maximize my Solo 401k contributions?
I run a small bookkeeping side business as my only source of income. I'm trying to figure out the most tax-advantageous way to handle my retirement contributions and business expenses, and wondering if I have to claim all available deductions on Schedule C. Here's my situation: * About $19,500 in bookkeeping income for the year * Roughly $4,000 in annual QuickBooks and other software expenses * Looking to contribute to my Solo 401k I'm considering two different approaches: Scenario 1: * $19,500 Income from bookkeeping * $4,000 in software expenses deducted on Schedule C * $15,500 net profit * $15,500 Solo 401k contribution * $0 taxable income Scenario 2: * $19,500 Income from bookkeeping * $0 claimed for expenses on Schedule C * $19,500 Solo 401k contribution * $0 taxable income Either way, my tax liability would be zero since I'd be contributing everything to retirement. My income is well below the contribution limits for an individual 401k. Am I required to deduct all my business expenses on Schedule C? I'd rather maximize my retirement contributions and just pay for my business expenses out of pocket. Is this allowed? Thanks for any advice!
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Zoe Wang
You actually do need to report all your business expenses on Schedule C. The IRS requires you to report your true business income and expenses accurately. However, I understand what you're trying to do. Your Solo 401k contribution is made up of two parts: the employee contribution (up to $22,500 in 2023, $23,000 in 2024) and the employer contribution (up to 25% of your net earnings from self-employment). Your net earnings are calculated AFTER business expenses. So in your Scenario 1, you'd have $15,500 net profit, and could contribute $15,500 to your Solo 401k through a combination of employee and employer contributions. In Scenario 2, you'd have higher net profit ($19,500) but would need to report it accurately. You could then contribute more to your 401k because your profit is higher.
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Aidan Hudson
•Thanks for the explanation. I think I'm still confused about the requirement. If I choose not to take the deduction for business expenses, wouldn't my net profit still be calculated as $19,500? I know I'm leaving money on the table by not taking deductions, but I thought deductions were optional, not mandatory?
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Zoe Wang
•The IRS requires accurate reporting of both income AND expenses. Deductions aren't really "optional" in the sense that you can choose whether to report them or not - they're part of accurately reporting your business activity. If you had $19,500 in income and $4,000 in legitimate business expenses, your true net profit is $15,500. Reporting $19,500 as your net profit would be inaccurate. You're essentially inflating your business profit by not reporting expenses, which could potentially raise flags if you're audited.
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Connor Richards
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Grace Durand
•Did it actually give you specific advice about your business or was it just generic information? I feel like I can find basic explanations anywhere, but I need something that can look at my specific numbers and tell me exactly what I can contribute.
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Steven Adams
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Hassan Khoury
•How exactly does this service work? Does it just call the IRS for you? I don't understand how it can get you through faster than calling yourself.
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Victoria Stark
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Alice Fleming
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Victoria Stark
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Benjamin Kim
Something nobody's mentioned yet - you also need to consider self-employment tax. If you don't deduct your business expenses, you'll pay more in SE tax (15.3% on the first $160,200 for 2023). By accurately reporting your $4,000 in expenses, you'd save about $612 in SE tax ($4,000 × 15.3%). That's money you could then invest elsewhere or use to cover business costs. Not claiming legitimate business expenses is essentially overpaying your taxes.
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Aidan Hudson
•That's an excellent point I hadn't considered. So even if I'm able to zero out my income tax through 401k contributions, I'd still be paying unnecessary SE tax if I don't claim my business expenses. Could you explain a bit more about how the SE tax calculation works with Solo 401k contributions?
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Benjamin Kim
•Exactly! Solo 401k contributions don't reduce your self-employment tax liability - only your regular income tax. SE tax is calculated on your net earnings from self-employment (Schedule C profit) before any retirement plan contributions. So if you have $19,500 in income and don't deduct that $4,000 in expenses, you'd pay SE tax on the full $19,500. But if you properly deduct the $4,000, you'd only pay SE tax on $15,500. At the 15.3% SE tax rate, that's a savings of about $612. That's real money you'd be leaving on the table by not claiming legitimate expenses!
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Samantha Howard
I actually messed this up a few years ago thinking I could choose which expenses to report. My accountant later told me the Schedule C should reflect the true economic reality of your business - you don't get to pick and choose which expenses to report based on what gives you the best tax outcome.
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Megan D'Acosta
•Did you get audited or have any issues with the IRS over it? I've been wondering how they would even know if you didn't report some expenses.
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